Buff Bard - The Invisible Nerf

[RyuDragnier]

Right, which means buff BRD songs and give them a reason to have them up for longer. You're buffing the class in its support role and effectively nerfing their damage at the same time with the damage dealt reductions on songs.

I'd prefer a useful song or two to help us sing them more. Maybe one that increases the party's attack, to help with the DPS, one to increase their defense, and one to increase cast and skill speed. Of course all 3 would have the -20% damage dealt thing on them, but hey, who'd care when you'd be able to increase the DPS power and survivability of everybody else?

[Llan]

He said specifically that bards were a little too strong, so there will be adjustments. There will clearly be a nerf of some sort to bring bards down a peg. On highly mobile fights the dmg diff is a bit too wide for all that bard brings to the table, so its only natural they will be toned down.

People must remember that, while other DPSs are able to use a Damage LB, Bards are stuck with a Healer LB, so If you have a party with 2 BRDs in a group of 4, you wont have that massive final Hit if you need it, It's only natural that BRDs do more damage.

Llan Hana.

[beydan]

So you are saying players pick Pure DPS class - Archer, at the beginning of the game, only to find out they got tricked into picking some support/buffer @ end-game, which they had no intention to play for?
I don't agree with your statement, Bard is and should be DPS job which should not be worse at his role than any other pure dps job.
Only thing that needs to be changed, is its limit break.

It was intended to be a support class from the outset. Nothing you complain about is going to change the past and the original intent of the developers. I can understand the stance that you've been tricked because you started as archer, but I'd say odds are pretty damn good there will be a pure DPS ranged job eventually. So how about this, I keep the job I chose SPECIFICALLY because it was a support job and you jump ship to whatever the hell they make in the future?

[Soulscare]

It's a little off topic but imo what bard should have been is a class that focuses on support. Rather than having "Press 1 to play a song", they play three notes to make one chord (which would be a replacement for songs). For example, the chord C major would use three notes, C, E, G. Each of these notes would be there own ability and have a couple of seconds cast but be off the GCD. C major could recover mana, where as C minor (C, Eb, G) would recover TP.

Just something I thought could be cool ^^

[NyssaElf]

As I said in another thread.
If you want to make bards support fine. Then you give bards there own role to queue into. Cause then bards aren't dpses.

[dascorp]

a lot of us brought this issue to light... about brd not being support in 1.0... how are we support if we can only have one song up at a time? and then 2.0... came and now our songs do -20% damage... yeah... and now we cant even aoe stoneskin the party... or cast cure...

so, wtf are we? support/dps?

[Alhanelem]

While this looks great on paper, there really is minimal reason for BRDs to have these songs up consistently.

You're not supposed to have songs up constantly. You're supposed to have them up when the party needs them. The songs work fine, all of them are used (TP probably used the least but can be helpful sometimes), while I wouldn't complain if they were made stronger, I think they're fine the way they are.

[PopeHat]

If you lvl drg to 34 there is no need to sing tp songs for your brd

Our AOE's take a lot of TP. The song helps do more AOE.

[AridElf]

If you lvl drg to 34 there is no need to sing tp songs for your brd

Blood for blood is 34, Invigorate is 22.

[Aramyth]

You're not supposed to have songs up constantly. You're supposed to have them up when the party needs them. The songs work fine, all of them are used (TP probably used the least but can be helpful sometimes), while I wouldn't complain if they were made stronger, I think they're fine the way they are.

More songs = more time having songs up = indirect damage nerf.