Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Rochetm]

I am honestly curious to hear the strat a monk uses to silence. I don't play MNK so not sure how thier silence works with stances and so on but t would actually be helpful to our grp.

Anyone using monk so silence is being rather dumb. It is near impossible to silence as a monk without nerfing the bejesus out of their DPS. ADS on turn one is the only place I have seen where silence as a monk is not an issue but that is because ADS has such a nice ability rotation.

Pld and Brd are both better choices for silence.

[Bethor]

Always assume the worse cause it usually is.
I'm fine with no mobility, like in WKC. I can't think of a mmo off the top of my head in which you can move and attack.
But if its a damage nerf. Either A. They give bards a damage LB or B give bards there own role to queue into. Since they won't be dpses

Guild Wars 2 has basically no cast times, does it?

[Anisto]

Anyone using monk so silence is being rather dumb. It is near impossible to silence as a monk without nerfing the bejesus out of their DPS. ADS on turn one is the only place I have seen where silence as a monk is not an issue but that is because ADS has such a nice ability rotation.

Pld and Brd are both better choices for silence.

That's what I've always thought and heard from others, but I've no experience with a MNK was hoping he could enlighten me but seems he disappeared......

[ZaelC]

this here, when people were first starting to reach end game, and due to the absolute easy mode of the story, many people have not figured out the mechanics of their class yet to be able to utilize them for max potential. this led to the delusion that bards were top dps, making groups believe they were a must have for smoother, more efficient runs. this idea you have here is exactly what started the people kicking and screaming for the bard nerf in the first place

I am not saying they are the top dps, I am saying they are one of the top dps, and the reward is far greater for almost doing nothing more than just spam a few buttons, not just dps, even healer/tanks are harder to use. They are supposed to be support and to 9 of 10 BRDs you have to ask them for support, some of them will tell you "No, my dps gets reduced"... And I don't know why should every other DPS needs to use their max potential to be in pair with a BRD that just spams a few buttons, or thats what I understand from your comment. But if you think I say this because I don't use my DRG well enough, I can always share with you my rotations.

I am talking about end-game. I beat C1 - C4 every week and as far as I know there isn't anything harder than coil. Just go to Mor Dhona or Wineport on Monday - Tuesday. In more than 6 weeks playing coil I haven't read even once "Coil group LF Melee DPS", the only thing you read when go there is "Coil group LF Ranged DPS" or "Coil group LF BARD" even when they already have 1 in the group. So this delusion is far greater than you think then, because even the coil groups know that more Ranged or more BRDs in the party make everything easier. I even have friends that changed to BRD because they were getting owned on their melees, yeah they suck as melees, but that doesn't change the fact that they switched to BRD to have everything easy done, and they get the job done as BRDs. That is the future of the 90% of the melee if nothing gets changed.

so as bard is an archers "job" class, the main class is still archer. taking away the bow as main weapon does not make sense here. and the relic bow is a harp.

as your "job" is dragoon, in which your specialty is to jump, how about they remove your lance and just give you a pogo stick?

Bard is supposed to play songs, even if you google "Bard" you will find alot of folks with a guitar!. That should be their primary weapon. Why did SE thought it was better to give him a bow that dps like a sniper rifle, well, I don't know, they can do whatever they like, its their game after all, but that doesn't mean its well done.

[MisakiSatomi]

Anyone using monk so silence is being rather dumb. It is near impossible to silence as a monk without nerfing the bejesus out of their DPS. ADS on turn one is the only place I have seen where silence as a monk is not an issue but that is because ADS has such a nice ability rotation.

Pld and Brd are both better choices for silence.

One monk can silence everything and while doing so can put in 1-3 rotations with a downtime of 10 seconds.

I'd say that is more DPS than a Bard.

[RyuDragnier]

And I don't know why should every other DPS needs to use their max potential to be in pair with a BRD that just spams a few buttons, or thats what I understand from your comment. But if you think I say this because I don't use my DRG well enough, I can always share with you my rotations.

I laughed at this...hard. Usual battle involves a self-buff followed by a skill on our GCD constantly repeating (with different buffs, we can have around 7 of them on us), sometimes with Flaming Arrow instead of a buff, keeping up our 2 DoTs, using Quelling Strikes in case we're getting close to grabbing aggro, using Bloodletter whenever it procs (but between GCD skills), and using Misery's End when the enemy is close to death. There's no spamming of several buttons, we're having to use EVERYTHING to keep our DPS high enough.

[Danko]

That's what I've always thought and heard from others, but I've no experience with a MNK was hoping he could enlighten me but seems he disappeared......

Someone better versed on MNK rotations could explain how they do it. I was just using it as en example to show that BRDs are not "required" to silence high voltage or complete the content.

The job certainly has strengths and good utility. But to make such a bold statement that BRD is "required" to complete BC content is an inaccurate overstatement of its utility relative to other jobs. It is perfectly possible to complete BC content with zero BRDs in your group.

The question of "well it would be easier if this...and leave less room for error if that" is another discussion. But on the issue of requirement? No. BRDs are not required. Players formulate winning strategies. Other players copy those strategies which leads to..."this strategy is required to win."

[Burritoboy]

Someone better versed on MNK rotations could explain how they do it. I was just using it as en example to show that BRDs are not "required" to silence high voltage or complete the content.

The job certainly has strengths and good utility. But to make such a bold statement that BRD is "required" to complete BC content is an inaccurate overstatement of its utility relative to other jobs. It is perfectly possible to complete BC content with zero BRDs in your group.

The question of "well it would be easier if this...and leave less room for error if that" is another discussion. But on the issue of requirement? No. BRDs are not required. Players formulate winning strategies. Other players copy those strategies which leads to..."this strategy is required to win."

well said Danko

[Lecreuset]

nope people need mp/tp

[Danko]

nope people need to properly manage their mp/tp

FTFY

There are other ways to replenish both of those things that do not come from a BRD.

But lets be clear here - no one is arguing whether or not songs add utility to a run. I'm saying it is within the realm of possibility to do it without them.

We might qualify this a bit and say something like....at a certain gear and/or skill level your mages will blow through their mp and you wouldn't be able to continue without ballad. Though, even then, I suspect you'd have bigger issues with your run if having ballad up was make or break for you.

But this is one reason people stack BRDs. It is a strategy that works. Have them stack and/or rotate songs and it makes life easier...you can suck a little bit more.

But do not mistake that for being a requirement. That's just one way to get around a particular gear and/or skill hurdle.