Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Woodberry]

I still like FFXIVAPP for the real time. Starting the game a month after launch and not being legacy we are still working on execution, so as long as we are hitting our dps checks on the conflags we don't track too closely regardless.

FFAPP did have an issue earlier with dots, but I believe the guy has it fixed already.

I wish SE would just give the dot damage numbers in the log. I think both parser creators have done a great job using what they have been given.

[ZaelC]

Make another Archer class, maybe Ranger, Sniper, whatever you like.

Make that new class a Ranged DPS Class (of course not as easy to use as BRD is now....).

Make Bard a Ranged Support/Slight DPS Class.

Or just Nerf BRD wich is the plan right now, a good plan actually!

At least for me Archer class is totally screwed now, they said more classes were coming out from the ones that already exist (Like ACN = SCH/SMN) But for Archer they can't make a full DPS class, BRD is already one of the tops DPS (Why SE why!?), and they can't make a Support class because BRD already haves support, and everyone knows the support class of Archer should be BRD and it should have like 5 - 7 songs with actually useful purposes (raise crit, or skill/spell speed for example) and much less dps. Make them a must have class in a group, but not because the easy damage plus silence!.

A BRD needs to be support, a bow for a BRD is a secondary weapon, or is it possible to play a song with a bow? Hell no!

[Kolaina]

Make them a must have class in a group

this here, when people were first starting to reach end game, and due to the absolute easy mode of the story, many people have not figured out the mechanics of their class yet to be able to utilize them for max potential. this led to the delusion that bards were top dps, making groups believe they were a must have for smoother, more efficient runs. this idea you have here is exactly what started the people kicking and screaming for the bard nerf in the first place

a bow for a BRD is a secondary weapon, or is it possible to play a song with a bow? Hell no!

so as bard is an archers "job" class, the main class is still archer. taking away the bow as main weapon does not make sense here. and the relic bow is a harp.

as your "job" is dragoon, in which your specialty is to jump, how about they remove your lance and just give you a pogo stick?

[ZaelC]

this here, when people were first starting to reach end game, and due to the absolute easy mode of the story, many people have not figured out the mechanics of their class yet to be able to utilize them for max potential. this led to the delusion that bards were top dps, making groups believe they were a must have for smoother, more efficient runs. this idea you have here is exactly what started the people kicking and screaming for the bard nerf in the first place

I am not saying they are the top dps, I am saying they are one of the top dps, and the reward is far greater for almost doing nothing more than just spam a few buttons, not just dps, even healer/tanks are harder to use. They are supposed to be support and to 9 of 10 BRDs you have to ask them for support, some of them will tell you "No, my dps gets reduced"... And I don't know why should every other DPS needs to use their max potential to be in pair with a BRD that just spams a few buttons, or thats what I understand from your comment. But if you think I say this because I don't use my DRG well enough, I can always share with you my rotations.

I am talking about end-game. I beat C1 - C4 every week and as far as I know there isn't anything harder than coil. Just go to Mor Dhona or Wineport on Monday - Tuesday. In more than 6 weeks playing coil I haven't read even once "Coil group LF Melee DPS", the only thing you read when go there is "Coil group LF Ranged DPS" or "Coil group LF BARD" even when they already have 1 in the group. So this delusion is far greater than you think then, because even the coil groups know that more Ranged or more BRDs in the party make everything easier. I even have friends that changed to BRD because they were getting owned on their melees, yeah they suck as melees, but that doesn't change the fact that they switched to BRD to have everything easy done, and they get the job done as BRDs. That is the future of the 90% of the melee if nothing gets changed.

so as bard is an archers "job" class, the main class is still archer. taking away the bow as main weapon does not make sense here. and the relic bow is a harp.

as your "job" is dragoon, in which your specialty is to jump, how about they remove your lance and just give you a pogo stick?

Bard is supposed to play songs, even if you google "Bard" you will find alot of folks with a guitar!. That should be their primary weapon. Why did SE thought it was better to give him a bow that dps like a sniper rifle, well, I don't know, they can do whatever they like, its their game after all, but that doesn't mean its well done.

[RyuDragnier]

And I don't know why should every other DPS needs to use their max potential to be in pair with a BRD that just spams a few buttons, or thats what I understand from your comment. But if you think I say this because I don't use my DRG well enough, I can always share with you my rotations.

I laughed at this...hard. Usual battle involves a self-buff followed by a skill on our GCD constantly repeating (with different buffs, we can have around 7 of them on us), sometimes with Flaming Arrow instead of a buff, keeping up our 2 DoTs, using Quelling Strikes in case we're getting close to grabbing aggro, using Bloodletter whenever it procs (but between GCD skills), and using Misery's End when the enemy is close to death. There's no spamming of several buttons, we're having to use EVERYTHING to keep our DPS high enough.

[Kolaina]

Bard is supposed to play songs, even if you google "Bard" you will find alot of folks with a guitar!. That should be their primary weapon. Why did SE thought it was better to give him a bow that dps like a sniper rifle, well, I don't know, they can do whatever they like, its their game after all, but that doesn't mean its well done.

if you take a look at my avatar it says "main class archer", and i am a bard. what kind of archer would i be if my main weapon was a guitar? i already pull my harp out when i play songs. am i supposed to shoot my arrows with my guitar strings?
tell me what you find when you google dragoon. then lets switch your lance to a sabre, have you on a mount 100% of the time, unable to progress the game due to having to demount to speak with npcs etc etc. the fact here is i am an archer first. my weapon is a bow. your misconceptions on what you think a bard should be in game is saddening.

[Shinnra]

it feels like bards gonna get nerfed other class gonna become to "strong" then they gonna get nerfed and so on until every single class will be nerfed and then we will get phase of " my class is to weak now!" "what happened?!" "what the hell?" so......... why can't we just have all classes left alone as they are? there will be always people that think some class is stronger than others and blah blah blah and at least for me it is not that easy being bard and getting gear from dungeons since I think only us bards relay on dexterity stat most? or it's just shitty luck. And really any class can be strong if it is played correctly...

[Kolaina]

it feels like bards gonna get nerfed other class gonna become to "strong" then they gonna get nerfed and so on until every single class will be nerfed and then we will get phase of " my class is to weak now!" "what happened?!" "what the hell?" so......... why can't we just have all classes left alone as they are? there will be always people that think some class is stronger than others and blah blah blah and at least for me it is not that easy being bard and getting gear from dungeons since I think only us bards relay on dexterity stat most? or it's just shitty luck. And really any class can be strong if it is played correctly...

i'd bet money on what you just said coming true. everyone wants to be the best class in game, or on high demand. after bard gets "fixed", people will call out another class that appears superior to their own. the classes that receive negative changes will feel them to be unjustified and cry out they are too weak and need to be "fixed". it will be a never ending cycle of catering to everyone.

in a pve oriented game, buffs are good. nerfing any class, even the ones you don't play effect you too. imagine they nerf say, bard and summoner for the sake of example, and you get both in your group. you now have 2 handicapped classes to deal with slowing down the potential they could have provided before catering to people who feel entitled.

or they go above and beyond with this bard "fix", and people lose any enjoyment they had with the class and no longer want to play as bard? who then will fill your mp/tp on speed runs so you don't need to slow down a bit to refresh? or who will be an over healing whm's crutch of a mana battery?

[Anisto]

I just started coil this week so maybe I'm still oblivious to somethings but, in turn 2 at least, aren't 2 BRDs pretty much required already. Unless you want a PLD tank to handle silence too? They already have the support roles. I'd suggest, instead of nerfing BRD, give melee dps a little support. I know MNKs do have a silence but it's not always up to be cast, so perhaps make that a single button skill and change DRGs slow to a silence, since almost all bosses are immune to slow and most strats want the tanks to keep the boss in place any ways.

[Marzapan]

Ok... here are some links that describe the Bard in FFXIV, all of which stress support as well as dps.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Bard
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Bard
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bard
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-bard/