As much as it sucks that people aren't learning their jobs correctly because of Fates, People are still going to do them until SE fixes Dungeon EXP there is no incentive even for gear to spam a dungeon vs doing fates. Even if SE fixes Dungeon EXP to be on par with Fates (I wish) there will still be the DF issue with waiting..... But Good Luck on your Quest of stopping people from doing fates and learning how to do anything besides AoE.