plz guys stop spamming FATES and learn your class by running dungeons

[KuroKona]

There's plenty of people who can play their class even though they're only/mostly farming fates. At the same time, there's plenty of people doing dungeons and still being awful at their class.

People will learn how to play only if they want to learn, it's simple as that, I'm afraid. Not much can be done about it.

Of course, fighting some bosses and being in certain situations in dungeons is an useful experience for learning to be better at your job, no questions 'bout that.

[JayCommon]

As soon as Squeenix make Dungeons viable for levelling, I'll get right on it!

I don't understand this. Dungeons are absolutely viable for leveling, they just aren't as fast as Fates due to Duty Finder queues so comments like these are made. The xp drops for each mob in a dungeon are normally 3x-4x anything you get in the overworld. Since hardly anyone ever repeats low level dungeons, if you DF in you are almost guaranteed to have someone there for the first time which is another nice xp boost. Most dungeons, while not difficult, still do make you act as a team to prepare you for things to come, instead of mindlessly spamming AOEs.

I don't see healers keeping everyone healed in fates. I don't see tanks tabbing through snippers or qi'qirn's in Costa Del Sol to keep all hate. I see 8 classes of DPS just spamming...

It doesn't matter how long it takes to lvl cap or how much it makes somebody "learn" their class along the way.

A good player can pick up and learn a 50 no matter how fast it got there or by what means. A bad player will still be bad regardless.

While I partially agree with this, SE didn't help the situation any by making fates faster than dungeons. It promotes skipping them, which in turn will push players who could potentially be good, into mindless drones that won't even want to dungeon. They will be in for a rude surprise when they are forced to in end game, and get booted from parties for not knowing basic mechanics they could have learned by completing previous dungeons, and then come to these forums and QQ about there being nothing to do and leave the game.

Back to the initial argument: I understand about the long wait times for the DF. Trust me, I do. But that doesn't mean players have to skip dungeons altogether. You can always queue into a dungeon and Fate farm while your waiting. Hell, you have to most of the time to hit your next level to progress story-line anyway. And honestly, if you took away the queue times from dungeons (said: find people, meet them, get a static group. this is an MMO stop being so damn anti-social!) Fate's are not faster than dungeons at all unless you skip between areas. For the most part, Fate's spawn on timed loops. You usually won't do the same Fate until about 30-60 minutes have passed, depending on the fate. Even if you do all the Fates for your level cap in any given area, that's still only about 4-5 tops until you hit lvl 45, that isn't as much xp as you get for a dungeon of your level cap.

[AnaviAnael]

I couldn't agree more with the OP. It's irritating seeing PLDs who don't flash, DRGs who don't combo, and fellow BRDs who start blasting mobs and peeling hate off tanks.

[Arkine]

Happens even in coils.

[Soulscare]

Dungeons are absolutely viable for leveling, they just aren't as fast as Fates due to Duty Finder

You just pretty much explained to yourself why no one wants to do Dungeons to level... Its not because DF at all, its because the exp is simply not as fast as FATE's. I would seriously prefer if Dungeons were more viable, but they're simply not.

[RyuujinZERO]

Unfortunately it's very true. I too have had players at 30 or 40 in a dungeon with me confide this will be their "first dungeon as that class". And many more who don't speak but behave in ways more consistent with fighting in a FATE than a dungeon (Trying to rush in an tag mobs first, kiting enemies around the room trying solo them etc).

Personally I try and do each dungeon as I level up on my new class at least once to ensure i have a good overview and develop proper rotations and tactics for dungeon fighting; but I don't exactly represent the norm either since I employ team tactics in FATEs (ie covering the healer and AoE monkey so they can tag mobs/keep the dps alive and making kills/ keep the boss still so dps can flank it etc etc)

[zakalw3]

Doing dungeons will not help you learn to play your class anymore than doing fates will.

It's all about having a good sense of mmorpgs.

Not true at all.

Dungeons teach roles, and the learning curve is absolutely perfect for beginners. Skipping them is a bad idea unless you're experienced, and even then it's good to ease yourself into the specific mechanics of the game so you're not a burden to your team as you learn during later game. Fates teach you nothing but spam, and there's absolutely 0 need to know anything about mmos before this game to be good at it /if/ you use the dungeons as they're supposed to be used: as a learning tool.

[Caldara]

SE needs to make dungeons more attractive for leveling than fates. You can get way more exp from fates than you can from dungeons so why wouldn't ppl grind fates. SE don't nerf the fates, increase dungeon exp. I know how devs are; their first instinct is to nerf.

[VallisRaine]

Agree with OP soo much. I was running Steel Vigil last night was my first time in there and first thing the Mrd says is "This Dungeon makes me a bad tank". >.> so we wipe to the first pull 2 mins into dungeon due to Mrd not using Overpower or flash or any other hate skills and him not marking targets.

So then the brd ask him to mark and he says "How do you do that never heard of it" so i explain it to him how to mark and how to spam overpower/flash to build hate cause my mrd only 21 so it the only ones i know about. So we wipe to the same first pull again while he adjust himself to what seems like his first time tanking.

After that we make it past first pull ^^ yay. Only to walk 20 ft from front door and wipe to 2nd pull. Where the Mrd got about 6 mobs and ran at us. Back at front door and we run up and wipe to 2nd pull again. At this time the whm says its not gonna work out and the Mrd blames himself (duh!) and we wait at gate for a few til Mrd volunteers to leave first xD. its painfully obvious this guy had fate burned Mrd to 41 @.@

[Rivienne]

Honestly the passive aggressive complaining in these forums!

Simple answer: some people are slower/do things backwards, so when you run into them just be nice, give advice, and move on.