Turn 5 Twister Strategies Compendium

[Syncness]

Well there's crafted gear with slots .. What if we put wind materia's in them? Like reach over 300 in wind resist and we could maybe survive it somehow? It seems abit odd the game have resist materias when theres no real usage for them. just saying.

Well, let's split this into 3 parts.

1. At the moment, no ilvl 90 gear has materia slots, in future maybe crafted stuff will.

2. Even if we wore all crafted with 5 wind materia, at best it makes us "resist" (100% avoid) twisters which I'm not sure if that's how resists work. Lets say it did, it would be stupid to have such a mechanic entirely weigh on RNG.

3. There is no damage on twisters, just death, so with damage reduction from resists, you'd still die.

[Luda]

How long is the cast time on Twister, as fast as WoL (Titan) or faster? If it's roughly the same, i dare say it's not a server update problem (it is a problem in general though) But most people can avoid that consistently these days. (I've never done Turn5, as you can tell. just curious)

Would be nice if a few of these leading FC's would record a few fights fully and from different views/strats, and let the community look and try to figure something out. But i guess with everyone so hellbent on getting worlds 1st (i don't get the buzz about this lol) it may not happen.

- I also refuse to believe we need something from Crystal tower to beat turn 5. That would be a terrible decision from SE. (the gear may help, but it shouldn't be a deciding factor)

[SonyaArin]

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The cast time is shown on the video I linked, but for sake of ease, here it is. I don't agree with the statement though. People have learned that a lot of AoEs in this game are very tight, and have IMPROVED their consistency, but that doesn't mean there isn't still a noticeable % of the time that players just roll their eyes at the game when they are out of an AoE and the game just doesn't register it. There is simple proof of this concept shown in one of the threads I linked above, but again for sake of ease, here it is complete with videos.

To address your second comment, that's the entire point of this thread - any FCs that wish to contribute video snippets of different twister strats are being asked to do so. I don't feel the rest of the fight is necessary, there's nothing that screams relation to changing how Twister works.

[Luda]

I've seen all them, and i know we have problems with server lag and it needs to be sorted out. but we can overcome them by knowing when they will be cast(Until it's fixed.. if it ever is). that's all im asking. I know probably most of everyone doing it will also have some kind of sound alert when it's being cast. I'm just being curious on it all.

it does seem to be roughly the same speed as WoL though. Can people consistently avoid twister if they are just running constantly. I.e already on the move before it's even started to cast? or is it still 50/50 death? I know this isn't a solution, as you shouldn't have to just be running laps to avoid certain moves.

[Stanelis]

Have you tried to run in one direction during the cast and then to change direction right near the end of the cast ?

2. Perhaps the ability works in a strange way in accordance to movement. Let's say instead of running in a straight line away from Twintania, you could zig-zag or do an about-face at a certain point during her cast.

Yeah i'm quite sure that the issue is related to that (but mostly because the game isn't really fast to take into account movements overall). Please note that the video in one of Op's post where someone actually manage to dodge the twister occurred when the player didn't move during the cast. Maybe its just a matter of moving at the right time (not before, not after).

[Eronn]

Please note that the video in one of Op's post where someone actually manage to dodge the twister occurred when the player didn't move during the cast. Maybe its just a matter of moving at the right time (not before, not after).

I recorded that video. What I did was to wait for the cast to start before moving and then move. We have some success with this, but it is nowhere near reliable. Though it could be a case of very tight timing that we are missing.

Would also like point out that no one looks up...ever. I would say its a safe bet there has not been a single person who has looked straight up in that fight.

I never even considered this and I will absolutely be testing it when the encounter comes back up.

[SonyaArin]

Running laps seems 50/50, the majority of our early attempts were 'sprint before it is cast and never stop running'. You can see some hilarity of this in the 'success' video if you look really closely actually. Eronn's (the PLD from the PoV) lands quite a few steps behind him while he's moving. Teloc's (the BLM) is literally like RIGHT behind him and nearly explodes. Then you can see the same thing in mine, except mine is just plain on top of me, boom.

[IrialGoka]

NOTE: I haven't reached Turn 5 yet.

This is just a suggestion to try out:
First: I've been reading all comments on the reddit thread You opened, concerning Turn 5. I hope this helps at least a bit.
If the case is about server lag and issues with dodging abilities that hit Your position, I guess You should try to "update" Your position via buffing yourself or instantcasting something.
While doing Titan with my Company, I noticed that people frequently die to effects, that they should be able to dodge. I knew some of these players before from other MMOs - and we solved much harder fights than Titan together, so we decided to watch the behaviour of position updating ingame.

We noticed the following:
If You just run out of the red zone/ability there is a much higher chance, that You will get hit by the ability.
If You use an ability right AFTER leaving the red zone/ability You are not getting hit by it like 99,9999% of the time.
This made us believe the following:
(2nd post inc)

[IrialGoka]

Positioning in this game is client-sided, which means: As soon, as You start a cast, Your client tells the server "dude, im already out of that shit" -> shazam, no damage.
(Notice: We are currently trying Turn 4 - not on Titan anymore )

Why do I suggest this? :
In the scenes, where Twintania casts Twister, we have never seen someone use an ability for this updating-position purpose. This is why we, and especially I believe, that if it is a lagging problem, it is because that positions are not updated properly, due to lag or not casting the immediate second after the Twister cast finishes.

One question I have is:
Do always all players die, if it is a killing twister, or have there been scenarios, where just 1 person died?

Furthermore:
I have many more ideas on how the fight might work, but I can't really test them myself, as I haven't reached it yet.. :/

[Syncness]

Positioning in this game is client-sided, which means: As soon, as You start a cast, Your client tells the server "dude, im already out of that shit" -> shazam, no damage.
(Notice: We are currently trying Turn 4 - not on Titan anymore )
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This doesn't provide a solution for melee players that cannot cast a spell (unless pop cooldown), range DPS such as bards who can spam spells (and still die), and tanks who are no doubt hitting the boss.