SE, why to consider the validity of not hindering speed runs.

[LoLo]

Because we are forced to run that exact same "long dungeon" hundreds of time, why do people eyes apparently glaze over this fact. The only people who hate speed running, are the people that do everything once, then quit the game, this type of game forces speed running.

Even if they manage to make it so you are forced to kill every single mob in the dungeon, there will be an optimal party comp, gear req's, if there are multiple options for getting tokens, people will flock to the faster option and every other option will be a virtual ghost town. This is vertical gear progression revolving around tokens, get used to it.

You can not speak for everyone that plays this game so your point is false. I've done CM over 15 times and I never enjoyed it once because I'm forced to speed run.

[Lisotte]

You can not speak for everyone that plays this game so your point is false. I've done CM over 15 times and I never enjoyed it once because I'm forced to speed run.

Non sequitur. NO ONE enjoys CM (past maybe the first couple of times). However after doing it multiple times, most people will try and get it down faster just because they don't enjoy it and they want to get it done and over with faster. I think from the second time I did CM I was already sick of the place and tried to do the runs as fast as possible to get my DL and be done with it. Thank God we have WP and AK now giving 100 tomes so I don't have to do CM ever again.

[LoLo]

Non sequitur. NO ONE enjoys CM (past maybe the first couple of times). However after doing it multiple times, most people will try and get it down faster just because they don't enjoy it and they want to get it done and over with faster. I think from the second time I did CM I was already sick of the place and tried to do the runs as fast as possible to get my DL and be done with it. Thank God we have WP and AK now giving 100 tomes so I don't have to do CM ever again.

You must have been one of the few that could enjoy it the first time. Unfortunately because of speed running. No one can even enjoy it their first time anymore.