[Dev1058] Hate Meter / Pros / Cons / Open Discussion

[Kurokikaze]

I'm honestly hoping for some WoW-like bosses (setting the bar high). Some of those bosses just could not be beat for weeks/months until people got their gear/act together.

This of course, is only for raid content. I don't expect that level of difficulty from Lv30 stuff although I am totally looking forward to a challenge.

[Chezen]

Give one of the classes a "Libra" skill for telling hate percentages. Rather not just have it as part of the UI.

While I find that an interesting suggestion, it looks like hate meters are already being implemented.

[Kurokikaze]

If you don't like. Don't use them. Along with all the other progressive changes that are coming to the game.

[Jennestia]

If you don't like. Don't use them. Along with all the other progressive changes that are coming to the game.

Like other MMOs, this works till certain circles make it a "requirement or gtfo" that plagues every MMO eventually.

[Kurokikaze]

If you're good at playing your class you don't need any of it. I've been in those guilds that say "get this or leave" without having those addons (didn't like the bloatware). I performed fine.

[northernsky]

I'm more interested by the simplification of the hate algorithms.
I don't really care about if hate is displayed or not, this is not what will change the battle dynamics. I guess it will make people learn their role sooner within a given class but I really don't see how it makes the game easier, you still need to manage that hate regardless of if it's displayed or not.

I mean, does displaying HP bars make healers job easy-mode? It's a question of balancing actions, managing mp and timing, not a question of calculating how much damage every single player got from enemy attacks.

[Kurokikaze]

I'm more interested by the simplification of the hate algorithms.
I don't really care about if hate is displayed or not, this is not what will change the battle dynamics. I guess it will make people learn their role sooner within a given class but I really don't see how it makes the game easier, you still need to manage that hate regardless of if it's displayed or not.

I mean, does displaying HP bars make healers job easy-mode? It's a question of balancing actions, managing mp and timing, not a question of calculating how much damage every single player got from enemy attacks.

Thank you sir. Thats what we really should be excited about.

Hate in this game, while better than at launch, is still completely fucked. Hit a mob for 300 and CON hits it for 40 and pulls hate. Something isn't right.

[Malakhim]

Nothing wrong with a hate meter. From a balance/dev perspective it makes balancing abilities/spells enmity that much easier going forward.

If you think this is going to make things easier than they are you're sorely mistaken. Unless you really really suck... you don't lose hate on current HNMs. Thats just how it goes.

Exactly. Right now the dev mindset is "well, we've managed to fix that nasty mess that was battle algorithms, and we're giving the players the knowledge they'll need to progress, now let's get ready to up the ante."

I'd expect combat to get much trickier with the addition of a hate meter and auto-attack. The devs aren't stupid.

This all falls in line with Yoshi's first few statements about making the game rules easy to understand, and easy to understand /= easy. If anything, it let's them make things harder.

[Gracious]

When things start heating up with fierce battles sometimes it get's distracting and you can loose count on who has hate. I think the idea of showing hate is awesome and I'm really glad they are doing it. I would suggest being able to turn it off for those persons who would rather add up hate in their head though.

[Kurokikaze]

Exactly. Right now the dev mindset is "well, we've managed to fix that nasty mess that was battle algorithms, and we're giving the players the knowledge they'll need to progress, now let's get ready to up the ante."

I'd expect combat to get much trickier with the addition of a hate meter and auto-attack. The devs aren't stupid.

Thank you for looking at this in a proactive way. The devs will not start making it so that tanks will have to keep a close eye on their threat instead of how it is now where passed a certain point its almost impossible to lose hate.