Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Malakhim]

You can choose which Job/Role you want to play as your Pugilist.

............... / Monk (Tank- Defense, HP, Counter-Attacks)
Pugilist.... - Black Belt (DD- Direct Attacks, Status Ailment Abilities, Ex. Disarm, Stun, Para.)
............... \ White Monk (DD/Healer/Support- Low Damage Output, TP Healing Abilities, Attack-Defense Buffs)

I just wanted to quote this post 'cause I liked the format.

[Lerris]

I'm pretty sure you can at least use a buckler with a bow.

You can wear a buckler with a bow. Using it is another matter since it requires you to be actively blocking, something you can't do if you're steadying your bow to aim.

I just realized something sad

The "each class unlocks one job quest" thing means there's not going to be very many mages D: 2 at most with the current classes....

Each job is unlocked by one class. That does not rule out each class unlocking multiple jobs.

It doesn't matter if you are Monk, if your still equipping a Hand to hand weapon your STILL a Pugilist. Monk doesn't magically make you not a Pugilist anymore. They are Independent. Not Replacements.

While likely correct, I don't know that we have enough information to rule this possibility out.

[Nuru]

While likely correct, I don't know that we have enough information to rule this possibility out.

Does the fact that Matsui said that "Jobs are not Advanced Classes" mean anything then?

And besides, even if you are a Monk, you are still using a Hand-to-hand weapon which also means you're a Pugilist. lol So that already explains that Jobs are not replacements.

[TheVedis]

Does the fact that Matsui said that "Jobs are not Advanced Classes" mean anything then?

And besides, even if you are a Monk, you are still using a Hand-to-hand weapon which also means you're a Pugilist. lol So that already explains that Jobs are not replacements.

i still believe that when they said "not advanced classes" they meant not in the same sense that FFXI did them
in 11 ALL unlockable jobs were advanced jobs. And you started them again from rank 1.

I think saying that they arent advanced classes is basicaly saying they arent new classes you have to level.

[Lerris]

Does the fact that Matsui said that "Jobs are not Advanced Classes" mean anything then?

And besides, even if you are a Monk, you are still using a Hand-to-hand weapon which also means you're a Pugilist. lol So that already explains that Jobs are not replacements.

Drawing conclusions from semantics on a translated message is not a very reliable analysis. Hence, we don't have enough information to make that conclusion.

Back to Cairdeas's point that becoming a monk doesn't automatically make you not a pugilist:
If the job replaces the class, then it's likely jobs can use more than one weapon type. If jobs are added to the class, then it's unlikely jobs can use more than one weapon type. Cairdeas should hope he's wrong about that.

[Micronowski]

Personally I hope they put in any class / job combination. BLM/THF may not have been optimal for partying but was great for farming. As was BLM/RNG if you needed widescan, BLM/WAR if you're playing with a friend and need provoke, War/BLM if you needed warp (or if you wanted to play a poor mans DRK) etc.

Not every job combination was amazing but a lot of them had uses. Hopefully they give each job something unique so even if its not a great combination, you still have a reason to throw it on every once in a while.

[Cairdeas]

Personally I hope they put in any class / job combination. BLM/THF may not have been optimal for partying but was great for farming. As was BLM/RNG if you needed widescan, BLM/WAR if you're playing with a friend and need provoke, War/BLM if you needed warp (or if you wanted to play a poor mans DRK) etc.

Not every job combination was amazing but a lot of them had uses. Hopefully they give each job something unique so even if its not a great combination, you still have a reason to throw it on every once in a while.

Thank you ^_^

[Cairdeas]

You know... I might be happy if each Class gets its own version of each role as a unique job.

IE Each Weapon class gets a Tank, Healer/Buffer, DD, Debuff/Subvert,
Gladiator gets Paladin, Dancer, Soldier, Redmage, Thief
Pugilist gets Monk, White Monk, Berserker, Black Belt
Archer gets Sniper, Corsair, Ranger, Engineer
Marauder gets Warrior, Cleric, Viking, Dark Knight
Lancer Gets Dragoon, Holy Dragoon, Samurai, Blue Mage
etc.

But even then you have jobs that are using weapons that are not normal for them except in one instance in past FF's and I'd still be upset that I can't use my favorite weapon with my favorite job.

[northernsky]

You know... I might be happy if each Class gets its own version of each role as a unique job.

IE Each Weapon class gets a Tank, Healer/Buffer, DD, Debuff/Subvert,
Gladiator gets Paladin, Dancer, Soldier, Redmage, Thief
Pugilist gets Monk, White Monk, Berserker, Black Belt
Archer gets Sniper, Corsair, Ranger, Engineer
Marauder gets Warrior, Cleric, Viking, Dark Knight
Lancer Gets Dragoon, Holy Dragoon, Samurai, Blue Mage
etc.

But even then you have jobs that are using weapons that are not normal for them except in one instance in past FF's and I'd still be upset that I can't use my favorite weapon with my favorite job.

Fair enough, but I hope no one expects this for patch 1.18.

Most likely there will be one job for every base class (tied to the weapon), with further jobs (and classes) becoming available later with future updates and expansions. At this point they may want to add complexity to the system, like having more than one base class requirements to unlock a job, or untying the job to its base class' weapon. Consequentially, needing several base classes to unlock a job would give said job an access to several weapons.

In this perspective this thread is relevant and useful (and fun to read) but I hope no one gets upset when they release the first version of the job system.

[ZephyrAM]

Fair enough, but I hope no one expects this for patch 1.18.

Most likely there will be one job for every base class (tied to the weapon), with further jobs (and classes) becoming available later with future updates and expansions. At this point they may want to add complexity to the system, like having more than one base class requirements to unlock a job, or untying the job to its base class' weapon. Consequentially, needing several base classes to unlock a job would give said job an access to several weapons.

In this perspective this thread is relevant and useful (and fun to read) but I hope no one gets upset when they release the first version of the job system.

I wouldn't even expect the Job system to be in patch 1.18.

With how the Developer Letter was worded out, if the Job system gets implemented at all during the summer, I imagine it'll be in the tail end.