Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Cairdeas]

They gave us freedom. Look at the piece of shit that came out of it: the current Armory System.

You mean the one item 99% of the Press praised while lambasting the rest of the game for its inferiorness? Yup.

As has already been stated. The Job system is going to restrict you to your job for your role in combat and the skills you can equip. It has no reason to restrict your weapon at that point.

[BloodLotus]

Classes are already unique. The Job System isn't being implemented to fix Classes. Its being implemented to increase player Nostalgia and to set defined Roles for players to follow should they chose. Roles don't define the weapon you use, just the tasks you perform in combat. Your a white mage, so you heal, Doesn't matter what weapon you equip your going to heal.

I know several members of the forum would disagree with your first sentence, but that's a completely different topic.

Player nostalgia is a side-effect.

I understand what you mean by roles and you're right. I had to heal a party as a gladiator and was able to. I was a healer for a short time, but I was not a white mage. You're adding words into the mix.

Class - Job - Role

[Lerris]

Using past FFs as an example of the way things should be is a flawed argument, as FF is not, and never has been, an internally consistent series.

This is a false statement. As chocobo's, Cid, Airships, and the classic FF Jobs we are about to get, have all be consistent in some way in all FF. So, we can use them as example. You don't think the battle director for FFXI is not crossing some ideas over from FFXI, are building upon them for FFXIV. Auto-attack. you going to email the battle director and tell him this is FFXIV I don't want to see delay numbers on weapons. Because that is what we are getting.

Then our characters should be allowed to equip only one weapon type in their entire careers. Just like in FFVII. Or FFVIII. Or FFIX. OR FFX.
Or, changing jobs should equip the corresponding weapon for us as in FFX-2.

My statement was NOT false... the rules are different with every release, though there are common elements that recur throughout the series.

My point was that the argument should be made based on the merits of the system, not based on what previous games did. You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing, while completely ignoring the context of my statement.

[BloodLotus]

You mean the one item 99% of the Press praised while lambasting the rest of the game for its inferiorness? Yup.

As has already been stated. The Job system is going to restrict you to your job for your role in combat and the skills you can equip. It has no reason to restrict your weapon at that point.

We disagree. I think that a Job will be locked onto a Class.

[BloodLotus]

The Materia system is simply a "crafting" system that lets you modify a weapon with stones to give you benefits. In FFVII it gave you skills, traits, and stat bonuses. Because skills are already granted by the weapon iteself and in the future jobs. Materia will simply give traits and stat bonuses maybe a few might give skills but that will be rare. Its the same system.

By generalizing it yes it sounds the same. There are too few details to go on to say with certainty that you are right or wrong. Unless you're a dev in disguise

But my statement was correct.

[Cairdeas]

I know several members of the forum would disagree with your first sentence, but that's a completely different topic.

Player nostalgia is a side-effect.

I understand what you mean by roles and you're right. I had to heal a party as a gladiator and was able to. I was a healer for a short time, but I was not a white mage. You're adding words into the mix.

Class - Job - Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Hat

same thing :P FF: 4 Heroes of Light used the Hats to depict the Jobs. worked great actually.

[BloodLotus]

Class = Weapon
Job = Role

Class = Weapon
Job = Hat

same thing :P FF: 4 Heroes of Light used the Hats to depict the Jobs. worked great actually.

The other game doesn't matter, but how about this.

Class = weapon
Job = skill set optimized for partying.
Roll...Role = tank, healer, dps

*roll* geez

[Cairdeas]

We disagree. I think that a Job will be locked onto a Class.

If thats the case the Job system will be extremely boring and I wouldn't be surprised if people forgo using it for the pure freedom of only using the Armoury System.

[Cairdeas]

The other game doesn't matter, but how about this.

Class = weapon
Job = skill set optimized for partying.
Roll = tank, healer, dps

What do you think a Set of skills optimized for partying is? Its your Role being Defined for you.

A White Mage will get access to a bunch of cure spells, esuna spells, and defense spells. It'll be a Healer. So there for White Mage's Role is Healer.

[BloodLotus]

If thats the case the Job system will be extremely boring and I wouldn't be surprised if people forgo using it for the pure freedom of only using the Armoury System.

They would miss out on the Job specific skills then, but for soloing using the current classes would be fine.

In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded.