[dev1058] Response on new Armoury System Class/Job info

[yukikaze_yanagi]

first post in dev tracker. It's a way bigger and awesome post of that cut

[Cairdeas]

I'm hoping that unlocking the job is just that and you are not limited to the Class that unlocked it for using it.

Because some jobs are not specific to a specific weapon and lots of jobs share various weapons.

As it stands it sounds something like


"Skill up using Swords, Unlock Paladin Job Quest for being Sword Rank 30, After Completion of Paladin Job Class you can equip the Paladin Job and specialize in the Tanking Role."

But the two points a lot of us want to know is

1. Can a paladin then be equipped along with Pugilist?, Or Lancer?(IE any Job can be equipped by Any Class, but only unlocked by one Class) Or is it only for Gladiators. (Boring)

2. Is there a job level or is it just a specialization title that offers benefits specific to the Job. IE Black Mage can AOE even if not using a Magic Weapon Class. Thief Deals more damage when attacking from behind. Etc.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

My only concern is how the players will handle these changes. I wanted to play ffxiv because it was gonna be different then ffxi. I enjoyed playing ffxi, minus getting told how to play my character, how to play the jobs I was on, and how to equip my character. If/when I pay for my character I want to play and group up to have fun with my style of play, not a style forced on ,me. I do not want to see heavy elitism in this game as it was in ffxi. With players requiring so many rules and expectations.

I play video games to relax and get away from my family. I tend to get teased often for my likes since I'm the only one in my family who enjoys them. I do not getting the same thing in game. XD

We already have level linking rules, and rules to purposly fail levequests. (which are stupid imo) Lets just enjoy the game and not force play styles on others this time.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ cair they are going to be advanced versions of our weapons. Prob pugilist into monk. Archer into ranger. And you get class specific skills from it. I woul think it would be similar to ffxi sub job like Archer/Ranger (if specilization was turned on) But you can have it off.

[Cairdeas]

@ cair they are going to be advanced versions of our weapons. Prob pugilist into monk. Archer into ranger. And you get class specific skills from it. I woul think it would be similar to ffxi sub job like Archer/Ranger (if specilization was turned on) But you can have it off.

I understand that for unlocking purposes. But 90% of the "Jobs" in traditional final fantasies are not limited to one weapon and forcing them to be will be rather boring.

I don't mind that Gladiator will obviously unlock Thief, Paladin, Red Mage Etc.

But Thief doesn't always use Swords, It can use Fist Weapons, Daggers, and ranged weapons. amongst others.
Paladin can use swords, great swords, lances and hammers.
Red mage can use swords, clubs, daggers, staffs and fist weapons. etc.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I understand that for unlocking purposes. But 90% of the "Jobs" in traditional final fantasies are not limited to one weapon and forcing them to be will be rather boring.

I don't mind that Gladiator will obviously unlock Thief, Paladin, Red Mage Etc.

But Thief doesn't always use Swords, It can use Fist Weapons, Daggers, and ranged weapons. amongst others.
Paladin can use swords, great swords, lances and hammers.
Red mage can use swords, clubs, daggers, staffs and fist weapons. etc.

I'm pretty sure they are only adding jobs tied to a certain weapon. Plus ff has more jobs then just thf or monk. ff tactics has tons of weapon specific classes.
also in ffxi red mage didn't possess a natual staff skill.

[Cairdeas]

I'm pretty sure they are only adding jobs tied to a certain weapon. Plus ff has more jobs then just thf or monk. ff tactics has tons of weapon specific classes.
also in ffxi red mage didn't possess a natual staff skill.

None of the jobs in Tactics were locked to specific weapons. They could all use a range of weapons and some once trained could use any weapon with the proper "Use Weapon" trait skill.

[Sephr]

None of the jobs in Tactics were locked to specific weapons. They could all use a range of weapons and some once trained could use any weapon with the proper "Use Weapon" trait skill.

Sorry Cair, I think at this point it's fair to say your idea's out the window

It doesn't make sense that you'd select your weapon in order to specialise in a class, then select a further specialisation only to then be allowed to change weapon. It removes the foundation the system's built on and sort of contradicts the whole armoury thing.

They could let each specialisation have a twist on the base-class' weapon though couldnt they? Like for instance in FFXI DNC focussed on a different type of dagger to a thief, same with RDM/PLD/BLU and swords(ish)

[AlexiaKidd]

I like the idea of the job system but I still have my concerns. Like what class do I need to level to unlock certain Job's, how many Jobs are unlocked per class and the fact that now those jobs are tied to 1 weapon only by the sounds of it.

Am I going to have to level Gladiator a class I am not fond of just to get access to DRK?

Will Gladiator unlock just Paladin or will it also unlock Dark Knight too. CON would most likely unlock WHM and BLM so that should be at least two Job's per Class.

With PLD unlocked am I now tied to using just Sword and Shield, will I be able to use a Great Sword? What about DRK will a new weapon class be released for that Job maybe Scythe or Great Sword but then would that mean other classes can't use that weapon.

So many questions I would like answering as I would like to know if I am currently making progress in the right classes to have access to the actual jobs I desire.

[Nuru]

Some of you are forgetting that Matsui clarified that the Job System WILL NOT be advanced classes. Therefore, no, the classes will not be replaced by jobs, and they wont have "advanced" versions of weapons.

Whatever weapon you have equipped = class
Whatever role you want to play = job