Relic +1 vs upgrading other slots

[Anesthetize]

Hey all, I just completed my relic for my WHM. I currently have about 700 myth tomes saved up, so I will be able to +1 it later this week. However, I'm trying to decide if it would be better to upgrade one of my lvl60 gear pieces to lvl90 first instead.

e.g. I'm currently wearing the Strategos headpiece (I have the Vanya robe of healing, so getting DL for head is not an option). If I upgrade the head to Cleric's Crown (or whatever the lvl90 is called), I'd be gaining +8 vitality, +8 mind, +7 piety, and +4 spell speed. Conversely, if I get +1 on my relic instead, I'd get +3 damage on the weapon, with +5 vitality, +4 mind, +3 determination, and +3 spell speed.

I guess the real question is how much benefit is the +3 weapon damage from the +1 on relic? Would that automatically outweigh the other stat benefits from upgrading my head slot?

Thanks for your time!

[Raminax]

Yeah, Relic+1 is the biggest output increase you can get, no discussion involved. You could argue wanting AF2 pieces first for the increased Vitality, but even then, Thyrus+1 grants a Vitality boost as well, even if it isn't as sizeable.

Now, if you care more about looking pretty or aren't under pressure to perform... Then you can spend stuff as you want to.

[Celsius]

i chose my AF2 chest as a SCH because its my BiS if you want i can find the page where it had the BiS's for both sch/whm

[RunaRugar]

I like to look at it this way:

An upgrade from lv80 gear to lv90 gear vs. an upgrade from lv60-70(AKdrops/DL) to lv90 gear.

Now what I did was, farm philo, get all DL but the body piece because ugly as hell. Got my Cleric's Robe first, and kept farming philo.

Sell a bunch of philo items to get a Vanya hat(you can also farm the 9 potashes and get the best crafter in you server make it HQ for you), and fill it with materia.

Now you have a lvl90 body piece and a badass hat which is the best hat you can get until you get you lv90 head piece (Cleric's Circlet).

Now, I was really tempted to get the lv90 legs piece but I chose Relic+1 because shiny weapon reasons.

To sum up, the most logical (power>looks) way of doing things would be leaving you Relic+1 at the bottom of the list, and by this I mean getting the head, body, hands, legs and feet pieces first. If you just wanna look cool, and don't mind at all farming for Vanya stuff, Relic+1 it's the first thing you should get.

[Miridori]

Yeah, Relic+1 is the biggest output increase you can get, no discussion involved. You could argue wanting AF2 pieces first for the increased Vitality, but even then, Thyrus+1 grants a Vitality boost as well, even if it isn't as sizeable.

Now, if you care more about looking pretty or aren't under pressure to perform... Then you can spend stuff as you want to.

This. I am pretty sure it will take at least 2-3 gear up grade to match the upgrade you get from Relic +1. That is strictly in term of healing.
If you want more defensive stat (vit) then gear up grade will be better. But the magic power, mind from relic +1 usually worth a lot in term of healing

[Celsius]

This. I am pretty sure it will take at least 2-3 gear up grade to match the upgrade you get from Relic +1. That is strictly in term of healing.
If you want more defensive stat (vit) then gear up grade will be better. But the magic power, mind from relic +1 usually worth a lot in term of healing

Err... Kinda. if you want bigger numbers as a SCH go relic+1 but i have more vit/pie/crit than if i would have gotten my relic (since i got my af2 chest i melded my vanya hat) so now i have even more determination. Coupled with the fact that i get more Mind ( my friend sch with full dl has 426 while i have 444) this is in party. plus the fact that i crit way more than he does. my heals jump from around 880-910 and his are around 910-920... i mean its preference.

[Staris]

It depends on your current gear, because healing is a function of wep dps and mind. So if you have more mind... weapon dps is worth more, and vice versa.

If you factor in the possibility of drops from coil 1-4.... your ideal options are (+1 Relic, Pants, Ring). However the order is debatable...


Personally I got the ring first because I had 50 SCH and WHM and had not yet chosen one (because I did not yet have a reliable group).

Second the +1.... because the legs would have messed up my full DL set (soley based on my own ocd)

[Orophin]

I found going from the Garuda staff to Relic +1 as a BLM gave me about a 10% increase in damage. I'm thinking the spell damage increase from the WHM weapon would yield around the same effect for +healing.

[Anesthetize]

Thanks for the replies!

I'm thinking +1 is the way to go for now. I can still upgrade my lvl60 pieces by getting DL (or crafting the HQ lvl70 head piece), but there's no other upgrade currently for my relic. Or I can just wait two more weeks to get enough Myths for the 90 head piece anyway.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I'm told that party limit breaks are dependent on the total damage output from every member's weapon. If this is true the upgrade can mean a lot toward getting those huge numbers in limit break damage.