PLEASE stop telling summoners to use Ifrit!!!

[Kevee]

Why would you have Garuda on sic, making her do a lot less damage?

PS

Garuda is doing more DPS in your parse, which means Titan died faster and thus the higher damage from Ifrit was due to you killing it slower.

[xxalucard]

Doing some Titan test now with a friend running the meter. So far have Ifrit logged with Foe/Drg debuff up. Will update when I get Garuda.

Just want to let you know that the parser does not track shadow flare at all or dots extended by contagion (it acts as if there are no dots on the target for the extra time contagion grants)

[Spythe]

Why would you have Garuda on sic, making her do a lot less damage?

Wanted to used Sic on both pets to keep the data the same, and yeah Titan took longer with Ifrit since we had 3 healers that run. Would be nice if the Parser actually showed how long a fight took. Doing another attempt now with Garuda just on Obey to see if the DPS difference is that big. With update with results.

Just want to let you know that the parser does not track shadow flare at all or dots extended by contagion (it acts as if there are no dots on the target for the extra time contagion grants)

I think they fixed the Shadow Flare part with the latest update unless it doesn't work on bosses because it tracks on targeting dummies.

[glim]

Wanted to used Sic on both pets to keep the data the same, and yeah Titan took longer with Ifrit since we had 3 healers that run. Would be nice if the Parser actually showed how long a fight took. Doing another attempt now with Garuda just on Obey to see if the DPS difference is that big. With update with results.



I think they fixed the Shadow Flare part with the latest update unless it doesn't work on bosses because it tracks on targeting dummies.

you could have saved time and money by just getting your friends to debuff the target dummy, and make both pets dps at exactly one minute. (since you mentioned that you were paying for the run?)

about shadowflare, I've tested it freshly yesterday, ffxivapp and logrep doesn't track shadowflare.

[Kevee]

Wanted to used Sic on both pets to keep the data the same, and yeah Titan took longer with Ifrit since we had 3 healers that run. Would be nice if the Parser actually showed how long a fight took. Doing another attempt now with Garuda just on Obey to see if the DPS difference is that big. With update with results.

The data isn't the same because Ifrit does more DPS on sic, rather than obey, and Garuda does more on Obey rather than sic. That wasn't supposed to be a test of sic vs obey. It was a test for DPS, and kind of damage. The fact that Garuda did more on an inferior settings speaks volumes.

Not to mention you probably didn't do any target switching, as you stated earlier.

This is why dummy DPS is important. If one does more DPS on dummies, and is ranged, it will always functionally do even more DPS.

There is no situation where a melee pet, while is already being out DPS'd on a dummy, will out DPS a ranged pet.

None, at all*.


*Barring specific fight mechanics where melee get some sort of damage boost, AND you kite the boss.

[Spythe]

you could have saved time and money by just getting your friends to debuff the target dummy, and make both pets dps at exactly one minute. (since you mentioned that you were paying for the run?)

about shadowflare, I've tested it freshly yesterday, ffxivapp and logrep doesn't track shadowflare.

I'm the one making money doing Titan runs so just knocking out 2 things at once. Hmmm I tested it 3 days ago and it was taking Shadowflare on a target dummy so who knows. I guess my actually DPS is 100% accurate then.

So Keeve was correct Garuda did more DPS being on Obey over Sic her DPS number was at 55 DPS for the latest attempts. BUT the fight seemed quicker than the last 2 attempts.

New picture of the Garuda so it looks like Garuda is the clear winner if you don't have a MNK in your group. So I still have to test Ifrit with a MNK and of course there is Contagion that makes Garuda a bit better as well. My DPS was a lot higher this run but that was because of a few reasons not just Contagion. People that got rocked were actually close to the boss so Bane was a lot more useful.




Another Ifrit meter with Sic and only using Enkindle once

[glim]

If not its a Contagion vs more procs of Enhanced Pet Abilities.

noticed that you mentioned this, I understand that contagion isn't as strong as it seems (it is though when extending empowered dots) and you did mention contagion is overrated, but you're totally underrating it to the point that you compare it to something as negligible as more chances of increasing a negligible stat. (ifrit's 2x attacks)

[Spythe]

noticed that you mentioned this, I understand that contagion isn't as strong as it seems (it is though when extending empowered dots) and you did mention contagion is overrated, but you're totally underrating it to the point that you compare it to something as negligible as more chances of increasing a negligible stat. (ifrit's 2x attacks)

That is very true but I think Contagion is only the clear choice if you can get more than 1 Raging Strikes off which is pretty standard for all HM and Coil bosses. Maybe not on ADS(Turn 2) depending if you use it on trash since that is a pretty short fight. I really think its just down to preference tbh

[glim]

That is very true but I think Contagion is only the clear choice if you can get more than 1 Raging Strikes off which is pretty standard for all HM and Coil bosses. Maybe not on ADS(Turn 2) depending if you use it on trash since that is a pretty short fight.

even without raging strikes, contagion still nets you around 650-800 damage per minute. (implying contagion is equal to 3.5-4ruins) that's like 12-16 seconds of ifrit damage.

[azethoth]

The only other thing that is worth noting is that Ifrit applies a dot when using enkindle. On dummy tests I did a while back totaled 56 damage per tick and 600 something for the enkindle itself. I forget its duration, but that put his enkindle damage higher than Garudas enkindle.

I don't run the parser so I have no numbers to give just what I see.