PLEASE stop telling summoners to use Ifrit!!!

[xxalucard]

You know ruin and ruin II take the same GCD, right? Don't be using Ruin II unless you can't use Ruin. If a mob is at 50%, say the Soldier or Dreadnought, there is no reason to use Ruin II over Ruin. The only time to, maybe, use Ruin II is sub-10% since the damage comes earlier than Ruin, and that's only if you aren't confident in your group.


..There is a real reason. Are you putting thunder on each target? Miasma II? If you're doing optimal AoE DPS, you bleed dry fast. Definitely don't use Ruin II unless necessary. DoT + Bane/Contagion -> Shadow Flare -> Thunder each target if under 4 targets -> Miasma II -> Spam Ruin or Tri-Disaster if over 4 targets.

If there's 4+ Targets do Miasma II before Thunder, and use Tri-Disaster.

I have yet to see why you wouldn't use ruin II. I have a few seconds after putting all DoTs (this includes shadow flare, thunder, and even crappy miasma II, like you mentioned) where there's nothing left to cast-- and you can cast ruin II faster than ruin, thus faster damage. MP is never an issue on summoner and I don't see how you could run out so quickly where you'd actually use RUIN over ruin 2. RUIN II is faster damage... it's instant cast: this means more DPS than slow ruin.

[Xianghua]

I have yet to see why you wouldn't use ruin II. I have a few seconds after putting all DoTs (this includes shadow flare, thunder, and even crappy miasma II, like you mentioned) where there's nothing left to cast-- and you can cast ruin II faster than ruin, thus faster damage. MP is never an issue on summoner and I don't see how you could run out so quickly where you'd actually use RUIN over ruin 2. RUIN II is faster damage... it's instant cast: this means more DPS than slow ruin.

Ruin 2 and Ruin do the exact same damage. it may seem to cast faster due to being an instant cast. However it still does the same damage over the same time frame due to them both being on the GCD. It just appears faster. But Its not.

[glim]

MP is never an issue on summoner

really now.

EDIT: it literally took me exactly a minute and fifty seconds for me to oom using a RUIN II spam rotation instead of the RUIN II + RUIN I rotation.