PLEASE stop telling summoners to use Ifrit!!!

[glim]

When factoring DPS you also need to keep in mind the time it takes for Ifrit to walk to each target, his higher risk of getting damaged, and the fact that he does burning strke every 4 seconds, not 3. It's not fair to just factor in contagion losing 1 wind blade-- that seems pretty biased to only include that.

I'm pretty much basing my example on a closed environment, where they would be attacking at the same rate at the same time (of course hands down garuda wins because of how most mechanics work). if anything, I'm biased more towards garuda since I never ever use ifrit, I'm just making up a possible argument where ifrit could potentially do more damage than garuda egi even with contagion.

but the 4 seconds every attack is pretty much what kills it for ifrit.

[xxalucard]

but the 4 seconds every attack is pretty much what kills it for ifrit.

I agree, this is the main factor above all that did it for me too. I'd also like to say the spell speed really isn't that helpful since we don't gain much from 20% of a 2.5 second cast (a few tenths of a second maybe?) and half the time that occurs you've already finished casting your dot rotation.

EDIT: After actually watching Ifrit attack I am convinced that the reason he delays burning strike is because of his auto attack, animation lock must be it. But think about it, he is delaying burning strike by one second or so to auto attack which when added together are either the same or more than windblade , is that really a net loss of dps?

yes

[LionKing]

I have been called using Ifrit in some cases, rarely mind you, just because I did not put her on Obey (I am lazy ) and she uses her random knock back which piss the tank off for chasing the mobs every time

[Sehkmet]

I don't know about you, but I've been using both... Ifrit for trash mobs, since I can normally put him on Sic and he does more dps than garuda that way, unless we need to sleep adds, in which case I put him on obey, until last target, and then change it to sic...
During trash mob fights, it's normally not worth using contagion, as mobs die too fast and then i find really little use for garuda, I really think Ifrit is so much better to deal with trash mobs, so much faster...

I do find use in ruin 2, it is a good finisher, when a mob is near dead, I usually combo ruin I > ruin II, for a fast 160 potency to bring down the mob and move to the other one. During trash mobs you really can't run out of mana, seriouslly...

Now, when It comes to boss fights, Garuda is infinitly better, using Contagion to extend your raging strikes dot's, plus thunder/miasma 2 just pops your damage output skyhigh... And it makes so much easier to manage the dots over the boss. It makes Fester management a lot easier.

Overall Garuda is better, but during trash mob fights, there is just no time to enjoy the gains from her Contagion, mobs come down just too fast.

[HiirNoivl]

They're nearly equal. Pick the one you think is most pretty. :3

[glim]

How did I change my tone, I'm still laughing at people that think one pet is the clear choice no matter the situation.

well, with all situations right now in the game, garuda IS the clear winner, I cannot think of any situation that ifrit is more beneficial than garuda even when there is a melee debuffer and no bards to foe.

[Spythe]

well, with all situations right now in the game, garuda IS the clear winner, I cannot think of any situation that ifrit is more beneficial than garuda even when there is a melee debuffer and no bards to foe.

Am I crazy or do brds just constantly keep foe up for everyone else?

And Ifrit is the clear winner for trash packs like doing WP or AK with a geared group for AOE, normally most of the mobs die fast enough that the extra 15sec contagion spread won't be worth using. I bet people also think Tri-diaster is worthless

[glim]

Am I crazy or do brds just constantly keep foe up for everyone else?

And Ifrit is the clear winner for trash packs like doing WP or AK with a geared group for AOE, normally most of the mobs die fast enough that the extra 15sec contagion spread won't be worth using. I bet people also think Tri-diaster is worthless

nope, garuda's aerial slash is a lot stronger and has a bigger aoe than ifrit's aoe. both have the same cooldown.

[Spythe]

Doing some Titan test now with a friend running the meter. So far have Ifrit logged with Foe/Drg debuff up. Will update when I get Garuda.


Alright here are the numbers on Titan, I used 1 Enkindle during each attempt, and didn't use any of the pet buffs. Both pets were on Sic so wasn't getting the full benefit of contagion but not a big deal. These were paid runs so not the greatest group set up. The fight with Ifrit was a bit longer

Ifrit - 22, 310 with Foe and DRG debuff

Garuda - 20, 634 with Foe

Waiting on SS to get the actually DPS but yeah their dmg is almost identical but not sure if the DRG debuff actually effects Ifrit dmg it doesn't seem like so with a MNK in your group Ifrit may be the better choice. If not its a Contagion vs more procs of Enhanced Pet Abilities.

[xxalucard]

Doing some Titan test now with a friend running the meter. So far have Ifrit logged with Foe/Drg debuff up. Will update when I get Garuda.

Just want to let you know that the parser does not track shadow flare at all or dots extended by contagion (it acts as if there are no dots on the target for the extra time contagion grants)