PLEASE stop telling summoners to use Ifrit!!!

[Spythe]

so much for this

You really think there is only 1 melee debuff? There is 3 one from a MNK(Dragon Kick), one from DRG(Dissemble), and one from a WAR(Storm's Eye). I've heard Ifrit benefits from all 3 but not 100% and have yet to test it. How many BRDs do you play with that actually cast the spell debuff song? Maybe if you have a BLM and SMN in your group but I rarely see that song up.

I just think people claiming its been proven because they tested it on parser is pretty comical. You realize you're siding with someone that thinks spamming Ruin II is the way to go right? I'm not saying he/she is wrong but you may want to wait for more evidence.

[glim]

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where did you hear that ifrit benefits from all 3 blunt/piercing/slashing resistances?

// How many BRDs do you play with that actually cast the spell debuff song? Maybe if you have a BLM and SMN in your group but I rarely see that song up.
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at least 90% of the bards I've played with uses foe requiem, and battlevoiced too, that's 20% increase instead of a 10% melee increase.

//You realize you're siding with someone that thinks spamming Ruin II is the way to go right? I'm not saying he/she is wrong but you may want to wait for more evidence.//

I'm siding with who? what makes you think I'm siding with anyone here, I'm critiquing both of you.

[Spythe]

I'm siding with who? what makes you think I'm siding with anyone here, I'm critiquing both of you.

From the grapevine, I'm don't even know if its true but if Ifrit benefits from 1 melee debuff he will be more damage than Garuda. The only test I've done have been on Titan where I used Ifrit for a run and Garuda for a run. Ifrit total was 25k dmg while Garuda was 20k now does Contagion make up for that difference? Don't know and we only had a MNK appealing the melee debuff. I just laugh at anyone dumb enough that thinks doing damage on a test dummy proves anything when it comes to pets.

I guess I don't run with enough BLMs but I don't play with any BRDs that use Foe Requiem but my Coil group is melee heavy with me being the caster so it makes sense.

I think me and you are on the same page where we are at least curious to fully test Ifrit before we claim he is bad and awful. I mean it makes a lot of sense to have a melee pet do more melee dmg with melee debuffs. While a caster pet does more caster dmg with a caster debuff.

People also forgot that Ifrit hits twice as much as Garuda so its more likely to proc Enhanced Pet Abilities which gives you a nice haste bonus. So the argument should be is that buff better than Contagion every minute, I think Contagion is amazing and great but a bit overrated.

[Xianghua]

From the grapevine, I'm don't even know if its true but if Ifrit benefits from 1 melee debuff he will be more damage than Garuda. The only test I've done have been on Titan where I used Ifrit for a run and Garuda for a run. Ifrit total was 25k dmg while Garuda was 20k now does Contagion make up for that difference? Don't know and we only had a MNK appealing the melee debuff. I just laugh at anyone dumb enough to doing damage on a parser proves anything when it comes to pets.

I guess I don't run with enough BLMs but I don't play with any BRDs that use Foe Requiem but my Coil group is melee heavy with me being the caster so it makes sense.

Ifrit does get a bonus from Dragon kick.

[glim]

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I could see ifrit doing more damage than garuda (with contagion) if all 3 physical resists apply to him (after some searching, I've also seen in a video that did say ifrit benefits from all 3 resists but im still gonna test it later)

my ifrit does 140+70 to 145+80 every 3 seconds. (on obey,more dps on sic)

while my garuda constantly does 198-210 every 3 seconds (on obey, less dps with sic)

on raw damage alone, without including contagion, ifrit wins in raw damage. (even though he doesn't scale with gear)

but if 3 debuffs does actually apply on ifrit (which I've also seen in a video) it's possible that ifrit will out dps garuda even with contagion (and btw, casting contagion costs garuda a a wind slash which cuts her off 200 something damage). and I've also heard that contagion isn't really as good as it seems, since you're basically just getting 4 free ruins.

plus that point you made about ifrit hitting twice = more crit chances.

[Kevee]

From the grapevine, I'm don't even know if its true but if Ifrit benefits from 1 melee debuff he will be more damage than Garuda.

No, because, you know, Foe Req.

Even if you don't have it, for whatever laughable reason, the debuff will be a ~13% DPS increase. Putting Ifrit right around 64 DPS.

Is 5 DPS worth Contagion? I doubt it.
Is 5 DPS worth having a melee pet? I doubt it.


Also, I can confirm Storm's Eye(Slashing Resistance) does not buff Ifrit, and that DK(blunt resistance) does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diROOR4VZKg

somewhere in the video he mentions all 3 resistances affects ifrit.

How did I know it would be Mr. Happy? I hate that guy. People put him on a pedestal and think he's the best, and knows everything.

He's a mediocre player that spreads mis-information to his fans.

[azethoth]

I would have to say that Ifrit benefits off of int, there is no other way his damage will continue to go up since my str has been static for a long time. Currently his auto attack + burning strike do the same or more damage as Garuda's Wind Blade. Often more since both his auto attack and burning stike have a chance to crit.
His enkindle does more damage than Garuda's. Has a dot effect on top of the initial hit.

Is he more dps than garuda? I cant say.
Why he has burning wall though >>.

Given though that he hits more often and has more opportunities to crit, it is worth considering the increased chances of increased spell speed he can provide that gardua cannot.

[glim]

I would have to say that Ifrit benefits off of int, there is no other way his damage will continue to go up since my str has been static for a long time. Currently his auto attack + burning strike do the same or more damage as Garuda's Wind Blade. Often more since both his auto attack and burning stike have a chance to crit.
His enkindle does more damage than Garuda's. Has a dot effect on top of the initial hit.

Is he more dps than garuda? I cant say.
Why he has burning wall though >>.

Given though that he hits more often and has more opportunities to crit, it is worth considering the increased chances of increased spell speed he can provide that gardua cannot.

try removing all your gear except the weapon, garuda's damage will be extremely low, at around 100 each wind blade, but if you remove all your gear on ifrit the attacks only lose a couple of damage (probably because determination scales with ifrit but not int)

[Gukster]

^what melee debuffs? I only know one and you speak as if theres lots of them, it's called disembowel pierce resist or blunt resist (the pet can only benefit from one since it cannot be both piercing and blunting) , and we're not even sure yet if it only increases his auto attacks and not his spell attacks. not to mention having a bard in the group and garuda gets the same debuff.

but even then, with having no bard in the group and having a disemboweler, do you honestly think this will beat garuda and contagion?

not to mention garuda grows stronger the more int you get, her damage scales with your gear, ifrit doesn't scale shit and probably scales off STR.


so much for this

No idea about SMN, I just wanted some info because I am leveling, but MNK's "Dragon Kick" lowers blunt resistance.

[glim]

No idea about SMN, I just wanted some info because I am leveling, but MNK's "Dragon Kick" lowers blunt resistance.

yeah I did mention blunt resist, but what I meant to say is that it cannot be affected by all 3 resistances it can only benefit from one debuff, it cannot be all blunt/piercing/slashing

edit: I'm curious about this, waiting for people to go online just to test if it does get increased by 30%.