DPS calculation for dungeons

[MXMoondoggie]

I'm not really a big fan of DPS calculators they are used by certain types of people and it takes the focus off things you should be doing and turns everything into an e-peen contest. When i run a dungeon i just want to get it done and move on i don't really want to stop for 10 minutes while people argue about who's is bigger and crying because i don't just heal them through all AoE damage because they don't want to dodge and stop their precious DPS.

[Xenobius]

You have experienced the WoW crowd unfortunately.

Not everyone in the game is like it, find a FC or make a LS that shuns these people out. It will make life seem alot better and won't feel like you are sharing the same oxygen with those mouth breathers.

No surprise here, since FFXIV is now a WoW clone. Get used to it.
Also, switching FCs might be a good idea - flower-sniffing squirrel-hugging roleplayer-wannabe casuals and progress-oriented min-maxers don't mix. Both groups play for different reasons and hate each other with a passion.

[ChickensEvil]

Both groups play for different reasons and hate each other with a passion.

This is a very true statement. Me personally I would say I fit somewhere in the middle. But generally it seems like there is only 2 sides of this coin.

I'm not really a big fan of DPS calculators they are used by certain types of people and it takes the focus off things you should be doing and turns everything into an e-peen contest. When i run a dungeon i just want to get it done and move on i don't really want to stop for 10 minutes while people argue about who's is bigger and crying because i don't just heal them through all AoE damage because they don't want to dodge and stop their precious DPS.

There is nothing inherently wrong with DPS meters (although keep in mind that SMN should not be checked here, since there are no good ways to get their numbers). I use it to judge DPS based on their gear. If you are full DL but pulling under 100 dps (I have seen it) then there is something wrong here. If we are getting through the content I don't really care what the DPS is at, because as a group we met the minimum, but if you are dying because you aren't DPS'ing fast enough then adjustments have to be made.

There are only 2 classes that should ever be caught standing in the stupid, BLM and SMN. Everyone else, with their instant casts should be able to constantly move (I suppose there is that one DRG ability that locks you until the animation finishes, but still). Besides that, I pride myself on being the highest DPS AND taking the least amount of damage. Was running Titan with two other BLM, both of which had one or two drops from Coil (me I am just full DL/Relic+1), so they had slightly better gear than me, yet I was consistantly pulling 10 or more DPS higher than the both of them. And of course with it being Titan, if you stand in the stupid you are going to wipe the group, so you know I wasn't doing that.

Anyway, I say this to point out that there are good places for the meters. I can't wait until addons are supported and we can capture all the data correctly to get things for the SMN DPS calculated.

[Zoalord]

I have never played WoW before and I dont know what is it like there,
but one thing i do know is that, as a legacy player with few classes lv50,
we should know how hard it is to find a group (especially DPS classes) for dungeons.

Not everyone is a hardcore player here and have 5-8hrs per day after work to play the game,
some of the players have been fighting Ifrit HM for the weapon but it doesnt drop :/

but it doesnt mean that they cant do AK, Garuda, Titan.
I disagree with "gear check" for Ifrit and Garuda battles, Titan can be done with GC/AK gears as well.
(i have done all Ifrit, Garuda, Titan with AK gear, same for my team as well)

the only Gear/Skill/Dps check is only for Coil of Bahamut at the current stage.
(Still, if you farm myth points enough, you can get your AF2 with similar stats)


and not to mention that DPS calculator is a 3rd party tool, we shouldnt even use it in the first place.

[ispano]

No, Titan most certainly is a check of sorts. It's the gateway to even being able to do Coil. It's meant to see if you are up to snuff to move on to the harder things. And like someone else said before, skill can make up for lack of gear, but ONLY so far. Skill is what exploits your gear. You need both. A good player will get better gear when and where he can, before doing something he is not ready for.

[Zoalord]

I agree with you up to certain points only,

Yes, Titan is a semi gear check, but it can still be done by GC/AK gear, if you and your team know how to fight it properly.

DPS is an issue for Titan's heart, we all know that, but there is a thing call Limit Break, if you team is short on DPS because of the gear, get the Limit Break bar to 3, if the team still cant break it, one of the WHM will have to help nuking it as well (with holy)

if the team still cant beat it, then the team will have to upgrade the gear to gain more damage. (or maybe the DD is doing something wrong)

as I mentioned before, Coil of Bahamut is the current end game, therefore it is require high end gear for it.

I am not trying to argue here, all I am saying is that everyone should enjoy the game instead of getting "abandon" by others due to their gear.

[ispano]

See that's part of the problem. I see many groups try to rely on LB for heart, and for sure it helps, and is good to have depending on who gets Gaoled. But if you rely on it and lack DPS, the last phase is hell on healers because it lasts too long.

Also the other mistake people make is thinking Titan isn't part of "end game". Like I said before, it's meant as a gate to Coil. Not something completely independent. Otherwise Coil wouldn't require it. The mechanics of Titan are your basic end game mechanics.

As for your abandoned comment. People wouldn't feel abandoned if they played with people like them. Or if they tried to get close to the best gear they can before doing higher end content. The problem isn't people being abandoned, it's different mentalities clashing. And in some cases, one group wanting what the other group has without doing the same work for it. I've seen people try to do Titan in AF and White everything else. I tell them they should get better gear, and they say that's why they are here. They are trying to bypass the gearing up phase completely.

[Trihuuger]

Damage meters get a terrible rep from these "mouth breathers" as someone so eloquently stated. Parsers, in my humble opinion, ought to be used competitively both in terms of personal growth to sure up rotations and/or that desire to be "the best" and compete amongst equally skilled players. People that use them in pick-up groups and feel the need to inform their party members of their "lack" of play probably still live in their parents' house with self-esteem issues. I mean... Anyone that joins a pick-up with the mindset of having competition therein really has some self-reflection to do. Anyone thinking they're "helping" in these situations is fooling themselves as players who would use that information constructively likely already have parsers to begin with.

It is a shame.

[ispano]

Damage meters get a terrible rep from these "mouth breathers" as someone so eloquently stated. Parsers, in my humble opinion, ought to be used competitively both in terms of personal growth to sure up rotations and/or that desire to be "the best" and compete amongst equally skilled players. People that use them in pick-up groups and feel the need to inform their party members of their "lack" of play probably still live in their parents' house with self-esteem issues. I mean... Anyone that joins a pick-up with the mindset of having competition therein really has some self-reflection to do. Anyone thinking they're "helping" in these situations is fooling themselves as players who would use that information constructively likely already have parsers to begin with.

It is a shame.

The only time I would bring up DPS numbers in a pug is if we obviously lack DPS, but the DPS are adamant it's not their problem and what have you. Situations for example, like Titan in DF. You have two tanks. I've been running it on Warrior lately and when a decently geared Paladin is there, it's better than he tanks. And a majority of the time, i'm outdoing the DPS. And again, I will normally keep it to myself unless things like I mentioned happened. Had one DD badmouthing another DD for weak gear(It was actually not half bad) yet he wasn't even beating me as a Warrior, but the one he was badmouthing was. And of course, with the current state of things, any class' DPS that uses any form of DoT should be taken with a grain of salt, but when the gap is large it's still a decent guideline.

[Trihuuger]

The only time I would bring up DPS numbers in a pug is if we obviously lack DPS, but the DPS are adamant it's not their problem and what have you. Situations for example, like Titan in DF. You have two tanks. I've been running it on Warrior lately and when a decently geared Paladin is there, it's better than he tanks. And a majority of the time, i'm outdoing the DPS. And again, I will normally keep it to myself unless things like I mentioned happened. Had one DD badmouthing another DD forweak gear(It was actually not half bad) yet he wasn't even beating me as a Warrior, but the one he was badmouthing was. And of course, with the current state of things, any class' DPS that uses any form of DoT should be taken with a grain of salt, but when the gap is large it's still a decent guideline.

I'm terribly sorry if you took my statement as an attack of any sort. That was not my intention. It was solely in regards to the OP's "prickish" version of people using DPS charts to simply e-peen. I completely understand where you're coming from as well, and truthfully try to steer as clear as I can from pick-up's/duty finder parties for that reason.