Info on the Lodestone!

[IveraIvalice]

i cant believe how many people want everything fixed and ready to play and balanced to perfection right now. i mean sure, want it, but dont expect it. and then say that the dev team isnt doing anything.
i dont think you guys really understand how hard and how long it takes to make a game. and what kind of stuff goes into it. and even for people who dont know the details of making a game, you should at least know that it takes usualy over a year to make a game. an MMO of course takes a whole lot longer.
and i know theres gonna be someone who gonna say "we're not asking them to make a whole game, just a few improvements" so let me just stop you right there and remind you that your not only asking them to come out with great new content thats fully ready to go on a regular basis but also asking them to completely redo huge portions of the game that have already been completed. (battle system, magic and spells, jobs, monsters .etc) and your expecting it done in game in 1/3 the amount of time it takes for a regular non MMO game to be created.
it will take a while, and theres nothing you can do about it. either be patient and supportive or leave and play something else.
if it was me working on this game, i would not be that motivated to make some good content for people that constantly complain about the game. keep that in mind

[Cendres]

i dont think you guys really understand how hard and how long it takes to make a game. and what kind of stuff goes into it. and even for people who dont know the details of making a game, you should at least know that it takes usualy over a year to make a game. an MMO of course takes a whole lot longer.
and i know theres gonna be someone who gonna say "we're not asking them to make a whole game, just a few improvements" so let me just stop you right there and remind you that your not only asking them to come out with great new content thats fully ready to go on a regular basis but also asking them to completely redo huge portions of the game that have already been completed. (battle system, magic and spells, jobs, monsters .etc) and your expecting it done in game in 1/3 the amount of time it takes for a regular non MMO game to be created.

Most people here don't and it makes reading these forums both hilarious and frustrating. What they've decided to do with the game is a huge undertaking, one I'm not sure was really necessary personally, but it's something that takes a lot of time and I hope they haven't bitten more then they can chew at this point and still expect people to be patient.

Allowing the game to still be playable (with no fees whatsoever) while they are redesigning is HUGE, I wish people were more grateful for it. This would never happen with other MMOs. Never.

[Starlord]

Most people here don't and it makes reading these forums both hilarious and frustrating. What they've decided to do with the game is a huge undertaking, one I'm not sure was really necessary personally, but it's something that takes a lot of time and I hope they haven't bitten more then they can chew at this point and still expect people to be patient.

Allowing the game to still be playable (with no fees whatsoever) while they are redesigning is HUGE, I wish people were more grateful for it. This would never happen with other MMOs. Never.

Exactly, No other MMO that has made mistakes that are P2P would never go THIS long F2P while making a game what it should be, and will be for years to come

[Cendres]

Exactly, No other MMO that has made mistakes that are P2P would never go THIS long F2P while making a game what it should be, and will be for years to come

I'm not sure what you're saying but in case you are saying that no P2P game has made these kind of mistakes you would be very wrong.

Any other MMO with this amount of fail would get shut down, sold, or at best close it's doors while rebuilding. Players would not have accessed to it and they would probably have had already subbed for a few months, examples at the top of my head:

Vanguard
Tabula Rasa
Fury
APB
Chronicles of Spellborn
ect...

Wait I lie a bit Spellborn was free with unlimited access for a time before it ultimately died but not before it had already charged months worth of subs first.

[Cairdeas]

I'm not sure what you're saying but in case you are saying that no P2P game has made these kind of mistakes you would be very wrong.

Any other MMO with this amount of fail would get shut down, sold, or at best close it's doors while rebuilding. Players would not have accessed to it and they would probably have had already subbed for a few months, examples at the top of my head:

Vanguard
Tabula Rasa
Fury
APB
Chronicles of Spellborn
ect...

Wait I lie a bit Spellborn was free with unlimited access for a time before it ultimately died but not before it had already charged months worth of subs first.

Auto Assault may you rest in pieces :/

[IveraIvalice]

I'm not sure what you're saying but in case you are saying that no P2P game has made these kind of mistakes you would be very wrong.

what starlord is trying to say is that no other P2P MMO would go so long without charging money to get a game back on its feet

[Starlord]

I'm not sure what you're saying but in case you are saying that no P2P game has made these kind of mistakes you would be very wrong.

Any other MMO with this amount of fail would get shut down, sold, or at best close it's doors while rebuilding. Players would not have accessed to it and they would probably have had already subbed for a few months, examples at the top of my head:

Vanguard
Tabula Rasa
Fury
APB
Chronicles of Spellborn
ect...

Wait I lie a bit Spellborn was free with unlimited access for a time before it ultimately died but not before it had already charged months worth of subs first.

Never said there wasn't any that has made mistakes, however have they turned it into a F2P for 7+months while losing 12 Billion Yen Just to make this game successful?

[Starlord]

i cant believe how many people want everything fixed and ready to play and balanced to perfection right now. i mean sure, want it, but dont expect it. and then say that the dev team isnt doing anything.
i dont think you guys really understand how hard and how long it takes to make a game. and what kind of stuff goes into it. and even for people who dont know the details of making a game, you should at least know that it takes usualy over a year to make a game. an MMO of course takes a whole lot longer.
and i know theres gonna be someone who gonna say "we're not asking them to make a whole game, just a few improvements" so let me just stop you right there and remind you that your not only asking them to come out with great new content thats fully ready to go on a regular basis but also asking them to completely redo huge portions of the game that have already been completed. (battle system, magic and spells, jobs, monsters .etc) and your expecting it done in game in 1/3 the amount of time it takes for a regular non MMO game to be created.
it will take a while, and theres nothing you can do about it. either be patient and supportive or leave and play something else.
if it was me working on this game, i would not be that motivated to make some good content for people that constantly complain about the game. keep that in mind

This 100% ^

Thats why I don't complain, I give my thoughts and ideas to SE, Thats Why SE made the Forums in the first place. To get feedback from the players, not whine and complain feedback.. that doesnt help the game at all =(.

[Griss]

While it would be kind of nifty to see this kind of stuff in game. It would have to be added in far in advance via the scheduled patches and then time activated. Or the game would have to be taken off line and clients patched for the addition of the amount of information that was presented to us today. and i think that would make a bunch of people a bit more perturbed. but hey what ya gonna do right, damned if they do damned if they don't.


Kind of wished that the photos of toto-rak were not interlaced and sepiatoned to hell and back. but it has my interest piqued none the less, the info about the grand companies was at the same time heartening and disappointing at the same time on one hand its looking like there will be tiered progression with in each company. which is pretty nifty i really dug xi's assaults and gaining mercenary rank with the sentinels. Looks like i finally might get a new long term goal to get me logging in regularly again. On the other hand if were not allowed to participated in content with people who have sworn allegiance to another company i can definitely see this causing friction and problems down the line.

[AdvancedWind]

Well, well, well.

Just a little tidbit people aren't taking into account when complaining that this should be "in-game" and not on the lodestone.

Yes, I do agree that having a newspaper guy or some sort of NPC would be cool. Yes, I'd love a newspaper feature with these things in-game, and to be fair, I quite expect at the very least a LOT of changed NPC dialogue when 1.18 comes, referencing everything already mentioned in the lodestone and extra stuff. Patch 1.17 had this happen with the whole no-music-in-thanalan-and-other-creepy-stuff-event.

But this kind of info and lore is extremely relevant to be available on the website because, as you probably can guess, there's a quite high number of people that ARE NOT actually playing BUT following the lodestone or the forums. People that stopped playing some time ago and are following to see when / if they can come back. They would NOT see this, they would guess NOTHING is happening and therefore they would NEVER return. Not saying they are going to start playing because of THIS, but it's this kind of thing that helps keeping these people well informed and into the lore. When 1.18 comes they will update the NPCs to reflect the changes and that lore will be put in-game, ta-dah.

Also remember it is far easier to update the website than update the game, and as far as I can remember, you all don't want them working into "useless fan fiction" when they "should" be working on more "pressing matters". Admit it, if it was an NPC doing the same thing you would all be bitching anyways and complaining it should be in the lodestone and not in-game and complain about LOLPATCH 1.17b.