Warrior is OP

[seekerofpower]

All I know is this, the main tank of my FC is a War. He is better than any PLD I have ever been grouped with. Even as a SCH, I have an easier time keeping him up than most PLDs. Not to say that means WAR are better, but it does mean that a well played WAR is better than most PLDs out there.

[CSX]

Fastest AK run I've ever had was 94m!

WAR, SMN, SMN and me! (SCH), Selene was the healer! hehe I never left Cleric Stance. It was sooo awesome! All 3 of us were bane'ing the sets of three mobs, throwing down our Circle Slow thingy, dotting like it's no bodies business! I would run ahead and pull stuff for the heck of it maan it was so awesome! It was a JP group though. . .not sure if EN players can handle the level of awesomeness hahaha (just kidding don't kill me >_<)

Oh right! WAR! >_< uhem. . . Maan that WAR was soooo OP! Selene was healing him like a boss, I. . . I think I only had to heal him like. . .3 or 4 times and leech him of course hehe XD

[Nenin]

Fastest AK run I've ever had was 94m!

WAR, SMN, SMN and me! (SCH), Selene was the healer! hehe I never left Cleric Stance. It was sooo awesome! All 3 of us were bane'ing the sets of three mobs, throwing down our Circle Slow thingy, dotting like it's no bodies business! I would run ahead and pull stuff for the heck of it maan it was so awesome! It was a JP group though. . .not sure if EN players can handle the level of awesomeness hahaha (just kidding don't kill me >_<)

Oh right! WAR! >_< uhem. . . Maan that WAR was soooo OP! Selene was healing him like a boss, I. . . I think I only had to heal him like. . .3 or 4 times and leech him of course hehe XD

>_< this post like um. . . Needs more XD faces! And like. . . Teehee more exclamation marks >_<!!! Hehe don't forget those awesome dot dot dot thingies called eclipses or something XD!



Diminishing returns are not a myth. It's possible to oversaturate your writing with cutesy crap and I believe you have just done so.

[CSX]

>_< this post like um. . . Needs more XD faces! And like. . . Teehee more exclamation marks >_<!!! Hehe don't forget those awesome dot dot dot thingies called eclipses or something XD!



Diminishing returns are not a myth. It's possible to oversaturate your writing with cutesy crap and I believe you have just done so.

. . . .Jerk!!! >_<!!!

Just kidding! XD

All sillyness aside, I don't know any otherway of typing out things on these forums. If I type all serious mode, people jump to conclusions, say I'm ignoring this and that, I'm being rude, I'm a jerk or just plain dumb even though I had no intent on being/doing so. It makes it hard to pass the time here at work. .sigh. .

I think I just set myself up for a good roflstomp again! >_< dang it I need just walk away and get back to work!

[Azurus]

. . . .Jerk!!! >_<!!!

Just kidding! XD

All sillyness aside, I don't know any otherway of typing out things on these forums. If I type all serious mode, people jump to conclusions, say I'm ignoring this and that, I'm being rude, I'm a jerk or just plain dumb even though I had no intent on being/doing so. It makes it hard to pass the time here at work. .sigh. .

You made me laugh...you win.

[Ryios]

War becomes more viable the better the gear they get. The more HP a war has at the base, the more Defiance boosts them and the more effective stoneskin becomes. So while in Darklight... yeah pld can outshine them. But throw a war in AF2 with over 8kHP in defiance and suddenly stoneskin blocks an entire ability from a boss with eye for an eye up and warriors in said AF2 can get back 2500-3000 health on an inner beast and pop off two of them in a row.

Personally, I think a good trick would be to run a PLD and a War and Have the PLD stoneskin the war so healers can keep healing. Warrior doesn't have hate issues and pld would get a crap ton of enimity from SS'ing the warrior.

I also think that win Ninja comes out warrior will get a new cross class ability that will help alot. Imagine if a warrior could put up shadows FFXI style. If they could do that, they would be awesome, high health, and the ability to completely evade some dmg.

[Seriat]

Holy crap this thread is still going...

[Gilthas]

Not even close to endgame but...

From what I've been reading it doesn't matter if a Warrior is viable since its much easier to keep a Paladin healed up. Knowing that the playerbase will always gravitate to whatever is easier, it doesn't matter how much you guys defend Warriors (and that's the job that I'll eventually consider my main. Looks like I'm going to know how Dragoons felt in FFXI).

The only way to "fix" this situation is to make Warriors better than Paladins (but then the Paladins will be the gimpy tank) because that's the only way you'll get the mindset of the playerbase to change.

Still, just looking at the math, I'd say that (unless the developers have some kind of secret way to play Warriors) there are some things that really need to be changed:

- Healing buff from Defiance should be a static 25% bonus instead of being capped at 15% with a full stack of Wrath (which I'm guessing Warriors rarely have if they want to heal themselves with Inner Beast).
- Warrior self healing needs to be improved. In a perfect world, both Paladins and Warriors should be able to last the same amount of time against the same mob without having any kind of outside support from another player. Having Defiance up effectively gimps many Warrior healing abilities that depend on damage dealt. Having Defiance up should instead change these self-healing abilities to heal a percentage of HP.

Then there's one last thing. Paladins getting an ability that makes them Invulnerable (well, not to everything) for 10 seconds is much better than anything that Warriors get. But how do you fix something like this? Give Warriors a similar ability? Why have two tanking classes if they function the exact same way then? Take the ability away from Paladins? Can't agree with that either. The best I can come up with is giving Warrior's an ability that also lasts 10 seconds during which each individual damage taken is capped at a certain % of HP.

[Wootzie]

In my opinion War is sub tank plain n simple. Great for tanking adds that pop. You will see when you get to coils.

[Celestine]

In my opinion War is sub tank plain n simple. Great for tanking adds that pop. You will see when you get to coils.

This is a common misconception. Its almost always better to just have another paladin as the off tank.