Warrior is OP

[MageBlack]

I watched my dad play his WAR. He was doing Arum Vale and the DPS died on the first boss when he was only at half health. Between Him and the SCH they downed it! I was totally impressed.

[reality_check]

The reality is when I'm healing a warrior my Stoneskin is just as efficient as cure II. This completely changes my play style as to when I'm healing a paladin and Stoneskin is a complete waste of MP.

That's the problem with you bandwagon crowd. You can't defend something with numbers on paper when the game is so much more dynamic than that.

Here's an actual situation of what happened with a warrior tank and a paladin tank who didn't know the Titan fight that well.
Both paladin and warrior took two bursts by incorrectly placing themselves between bombs and getting hit by both. Both of them ended up at a tiny fraction of their health. The warrior popped last stand and the paladin popped sentinel. Who do you think survived the incoming auto attack? Sure, you could argue that the Paladin could have popped sentinel before the bombs and survived better but we don't play FFXIV on paper.

Also, do you know what are infinitely more useful to a tank than conjurer cross class abilities? Pugilist ones.

Featherfoot/second wind/mantra vs. Cure/protect/stoneskin

[TitusAldin]

paladin popped sentinel.

what you have there is a PLD making a bad decision he should (and most PLD tanks in that situation) have pooped hallowed ground 10s immunity

last stand is a WoW ability there is no such in ffxiv >.>.... i smell troll

The comparison was sentinel vs. last stand. And, like I said, have fun playing your game on paper. Warrior is a great tank and is very capable in all the of the content in this game (I can't speak for turn 5 I haven't done it yet.)

But, go ahead. Do your math and perpetuate the idea that Warriors are awful despite the fact that the development team has told you that you're bad. Your attitude isn't anything new.

there is no point in doing a comparison when the most optimal choice is hallowed ground in that situation.. why purposely gimp the PLD to try and make yur point sound more valid??

FYI "LAST STAND" IS A WOW ABILITY.. that alone makes this discussion moot.

also i never said warrior wasn't viable.

[reality_check]

what you have there is a PLD making a bad decision he should (and most PLD tanks in that situation) have pooped hallowed ground 10s immunity.

The comparison was sentinel vs. last stand. And, like I said, have fun playing your game on paper. Warrior is a great tank and is very capable in all the of the content in this game (I can't speak for turn 5 I haven't done it yet.)

But, go ahead. Do your math and perpetuate the idea that Warriors are awful despite the fact that the development team has told you that you're bad. Your attitude isn't anything new.

[Naaame]

The comparison was sentinel vs. last stand. And, like I said, have fun playing your game on paper. Warrior is a great tank and is very capable in all the of the content in this game (I can't speak for turn 5 I haven't done it yet.)

But, go ahead. Do your math and perpetuate the idea that Warriors are awful despite the fact that the development team has told you that you're bad. Your attitude isn't anything new.

You're comparing Sentinel to a skill that does not exist. There is no 'Last Stand' on a Warrior, so no one has any idea what you're talking about. Also, no one uses Sentinel after big damage has already hit unless they are braindead.

[KizuBriko]

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The only CON cross class skills I use on my PLD is stoneskin, I know my healers appreciate it when no CD's are up during fights such as ADS turn 2 or Caeduceus Turn 1.

PUG cross class actions are pretty bad w/o the buffs you get from PUG main. Mantra's 5% even stacked w/ Convalescence is still less then a PLD's enhanced Conv. Featherfoot is moot, any mob that is going to miss you w/ FF up is also going to be blindable by a PLDs flash. Second Wind when it lands a crit w/ berserk up is great... otherwise that 500-600 hp you net isnt really worth a whole lot... considering a PLD can cast stoneskin and negate more dmg, and its recast time is instant.

Now I love my WAR and I do it as often as possible. Don't be naive though. PLD is far superior to warrior in the current state.

One more thing~ if a WHM times stoneskin on me when my thrill of battle is on... BEST CASE SCENARIO... It will mitigate 1642 damage (9124HP currently on war w/ ToB up) but thats a small window to land and usually wont be popping thrill unless I'm in need of hp... in which case the whm will be tossing cures instead. I fail to see how stoneskin could ever be better then cure 2 for you...

[Machazareel]

That's the problem with you bandwagon crowd. You can't defend something with numbers on paper when the game is so much more dynamic than that.

Yeah, bro. It's really silly for people to use math to compare things that are governed by math. Like, totally.

[Nero]

Yeah, bro. It's really silly for people to use math to compare things that are governed by math. Like, totally.

Interesting how people who go by "math" dont really consider the self-healing into their calculation. So you "Math Pros" explain me why Bloodbath, Inner Beast, Second Wind, Convalescence, Foresight ( not healing but defense ), Storms Path Combo, being Infuriated does not exist for your ways of putting a calculation together.

[Machazareel]

Interesting how people who go by "math" dont really consider the self-healing into their calculation. So you "Math Pros" explain me why Bloodbath, Inner Beast, Second Wind, Convalescence, Foresight ( not healing but defense ), Storms Path Combo, being Infuriated does not exist for your ways of putting a calculation together.

If you want to bring cooldowns into it, then PLD only pulls ahead more.

[Nero]

If you want to bring cooldowns into it, then PLD only pulls ahead more.

That is the point, you need to bring ALL Factors into a calculation and not only those which fit your personal opinion. And now i am getting curious how PLD pulls ahead even more?! Go ahead and explain it and please provide some numbers and not only Stuff like:

"I am right cause i say so".