Warrior is OP

[Azurus]

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A hit for 1k that drops stoneskin on a pld will hit a warrior for 1.4k and drop his stoneskin too. As a fellow healer I call shenanigans on your logic. Also why even use bene as an example? It full heals either class.....

Also come end of fight you will have spent more mana on a warrior regardless of how efficient sk is

[Ariyn]

Here, let me help you out because you are obviously the one who has no idea how the mechanics work.

Using your numbers I'll prove your theory just as wrong.

In my coil group and food buff I have 6157hp. So that means the WHM (Not shitty SCH one but WHM) stone skin absorbs 1108 dmg on me. Now a WAR in comparable gear usually is around 7200 or so hp. Giving that stone skin 1296. So not only do they only absorb less then 200 hp more with their stone skin, they take MORE then 20% additional damage due to blocks. So if I was to take 1000 dmg then my stone skin would still have 108 dmg left on it. If that same WAR took the exact same hit he would take upwards of 1400 dmg. Leaving his stoneskin gone and actually taking dmg.

At no point will your stone skin absorb more then your cure II until possibly BiS geared tanks. Just because you "think" something is true doesn't make it true. Fact is these numbers have been worked from every which direction and wars just flat out need a buff to defense to make them viable. This is why 99% of FC's working on turn 5 made theirs go PLD.

I don't think WARs suck at all but they do need a buff to survival. Not a big one just one that brings them up to PLD mitigation. But hey you know better cuz you healed a couple tanks right?

A hit for 1k that drops stoneskin on a pld will hit a warrior for 1.4k and drop his stoneskin too. As a fellow healer I call shenanigans on your logic. Also why even use bene as an example? It full heals either class.....

Also come end of fight you will have spent more mana on a warrior regardless of how efficient sk is

Should listen to this guy. He obviously has healed more tanks or something

[Amyas]

Using your numbers I'll prove your theory just as wrong.

In my coil group and food buff I have 6157hp. So that means the WHM (Not shitty SCH one but WHM) stone skin absorbs 1108 dmg on me. Now a WAR in comparable gear usually is around 7200 or so hp.

You're still in tin-can armor, your argument is invalid.

jk

[Devaking55]

All of those skills are equally as effective on a PLD as they are on a WAR.

I think the problem is people like you who have just the weakest understanding of mechanics and the tanking classes think you have some insight as to why everyone else is wrong, including the people playing the class, and you as someone with no experience with the class is right.

how do you figure lustrate is equally effective on a warrior and paladin? Warriors should have more hp therefore lustrate heals for more. Should prolly know your skills before posting stuffs. >.> what's with the hypocrisy?

[Zakalwe]

People who say warriors are bad are just bandwagoners who jump on the close minded train like people do with all mmorpgs. Warriors have plenty of practical applications in all areas of the game.

I'd heal a warrior over a paladin any day on Titan. Increase lustrate/benediction/stoneskin effect on warriors in combination with their upped DPS make them a first pick for when I do Titan.

I have a 50 PLD and am leveling my WAR. I'm not knocking warriors, as it's the style of tanking I prefer, but to correct one misunderstanding, while they do more damage than Paladins, testing has shown that the extra damage while in tanking stance is marginal. Probably not what was intended, but it seems to be the case.

[AridElf]

People who say warriors are bad are just bandwagoners who jump on the close minded train like people do with all mmorpgs. Warriors have plenty of practical applications in all areas of the game.

I'd heal a warrior over a paladin any day on Titan. Increase lustrate/benediction/stoneskin effect on warriors in combination with their upped DPS make them a first pick for when I do Titan.

I wish you were around on my server, bunch of Warrior haters here

[MaFi0s0]

Yoshi-P god of Hydaelyn says warriors need to L2P, obviously QQers are either bandwagoning or doing something wrong.

[ReviiLagoon]

A warrior affects the play style of the healers so much that literally the only thing the healers can do is spam heal them. This is especially a problem with a SCH, a good SCH, will be micro managing their pet, healing when necessary, and throwing dot's on the boss (Mind you most SCH's are idiots and only heal). This is very easy to do with a PLD tank because you can rely on them to be able to take a hit or two while you cast Bio II or wait for a gcd. With a warrior tank you literally cannot stop spamming heals because the amount of damage they take takes twice as long to heal up as a pld.

People may say warriors do more damage, but in reality, with a good group the overall parties damage output will be less because you are preventing one or two people from doing damage because they are forced to spam heal.

[Amyas]

People may say warriors do more damage, but in reality, with a good group the overall parties damage output will be less because you are preventing one or two people from doing damage because they are forced to spam heal.

If you do nothing but spam heals on a war that is playing their job correctly, you're overhealing. Few of the healers I play with seem to have this problem and can dd just fine, in cleric's stance even, while keeping me alive :T

[Wilksha]

A Good SCH does not need to micro manage their pet. And I've done battle with both WAR and PLD tanking. And you know what? I don't see much difference in the ability to heal either one an almost all instances including Titan. I might not be able to get a great number of DoT on during some phases in battle cause the need to prioritize HP being over 3-5k or they might get one shot killed. My problem is DPS overcompensating and trying to out DPS everyone, or when adds spawn they are still trying to take out the boss when the add need to be taken out swiftly.