I've given in.

[Thriar]

I just wish people who played only FFXI would stop posting sometimes...

One day they'll play another MMO(doesn't have to be WoW... wasn't for me) and they'll realize there does not have to be one class/job to rule them all for a specific role. Only then will they be happy.

I love my scholar the more and more I play it.

[sheepysheepy]

another whm that wishes they went sch here

almost all groups im in are 2whm, i love it when im paired with a sch makes things so much easier, even in titan as long as you know when temults are coming succor is fine


im not clued up on the smn/sch thing, can i just lvl a smn to 50 and respec somehow, might have to do that

[LiadansWhisper]

I don't think anybody actually hates Scholars, though I will openly admit to being pretty annoyed with Scholar-primary players who want to eat their cake and have the White Mages' pie, too. Healing is already pretty narrow ground to share between two classes as it is. Frankly, from what I can tell (and I have both jobs at 50) White Mages drew the short straw and Scholars are still demanding more. I prefer White Mage for reasons that go well beyond game mechanics and into reasons like aesthetics and tradition. I was a WHM main in FFXI, which was essentially my first (graphical) MMO. I loved Rosa from FFIV (Bows for WHM when, Yoshi?), I love how the AF looks, and I like using light/holy based magic.

It feels like Scholar was created purely to try to balance 8-man parties by making them require two healer slots. They could just as easily give the faerie to WHM, fix Cure III's range and give us a Haste spell (seriously, where the hell is my Haste spell?) and then you'd have one actually good healer job instead of two adequate, but incomplete healers. This would also cure Arcanists of their split-personality disorder.

I initially planned on playing both WHM and SCH so that I could exhibit more flexibility, but unfortunately it looks like the way end game gear acquisition was designed will make that near impossible (bait and switch?). I'm happy for those who enjoy playing SCH more, but WHM is supposed to be the iconic healer.

No, Scholar was added because they wanted Mitigation Healers in the game. It allows them to make more complicated encounters.

I don't understand why you are so threatened by the idea that there's another class that can also heal. Mind you, this isn't my first MMO. WoW has Holy Paladin, Holy Priest, Disc Priest, Restoration Shaman, Restoration Druid, and Mistweaver Monk. SWTOR had Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer and the two gun healers (Smuggler and Bounty Hunter, iirc). Rift had...a ridiculous number of healing combinations. I remember at least three, four if you count the Defiler, in the Cleric class alone, plus Chloromancer and I honestly forget what else they had.

Point being, there can be multiple classes in the healing role, and it doesn't make you any less of a special snowflake. Scholars and White Mages are designed to work together. White Mages are the unquestioned kings of throughput/reactive healing. Scholars are designed to be the kings of mitigation and pre-planning. These two playstyles mesh really, really well in a two-heal scenario, and allow for much more complicated and intense encounters.

[Thanor]

I was doing Amdapor's Keep with 3 of my FC mates. One of us disconnected. For the rest of the dungeon, Demon Wall and last boss, I was cleric stance switching and we did both of the bosses easily with my addition do the DPS. I was also sufficient enough to keep everyone alive.

Here's a video of the last boss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imn60...j_O_Pxl4LpOdUw

[Melithea]

I don't understand why you are so threatened by the idea that there's another class that can also heal.

I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

[Alu79]

I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

Would take all manner of pet fixes, cd reductions, changes to some of the fairy skills etc before this end up being true.

[Leigaon]

Welcome brother..together we will unleash the fairies of destruction & let loose the unicorns of war!

[LiadansWhisper]

I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

Man, it's like there are two wildly different worlds in this forum. There's people like you claiming you're gonna be forced to be a Scholar, and then there are threads with Scholars complaining they're just not as good as White Mages and there's no reason to bring them.

(You have a Haste spell, it's just not a very good one.)

[ApolloGenX]

SCH is great. Personally, I have found that gear makes more of a difference to me on my scholar.

More powerful whm heals are certainly good, but mana management is still a factor- SCH shields start off pretty junky, but with high end gear actually become noticeable.

TLDR: Whm is more fun gearing up, SCH is more fun once you have good gear, imo.

There are scholars who claim the sky is falling, and WHMs that claim the same.

Ignore both. SCH needs more pet fixes, certainly... but it's still a cool and fun (and functional) class.