Summoner Responsibilities and Spell Rotations

[Beliel]

Could you develop that a litle more? :P

[Kevee]

Could you develop that a litle more? :P

Ifrit not attacking Gaols + Garuda Attacking Gaols = Ifrit will have more DPS for Titan, not for the entire fight.

[Kalandros]

Ifrit is useless.
You'd need to constantly move it depending on the mechanics being used and you'd be missing out on something which increases your DPS by a lot: Contagion from Garuda.

Also Foe's Requiem affects Garuda-Egi (magic dmg) but not Ifrit-Egi (physical dmg).

Garuda being ranged also needs very little movement or placement - for Titan HM, mine is usually far off the platform like a boss and still throwing attacks at Titan. For Twintania it'd be a pain to have it move back and forth between TT and Conflag - Garuda can just be target-swapped instantly without DPS loss, and we use Garuda for the Fireball meteor thing - which would be really annoying to attempt with Ifrit.

and Titan-Egi is useless.

[Beliel]

ok, im going to explain again, i might have misundesrtood you.

So, i was the SMN with better gear, and with garuda out.
The other smn had ifrit out.
Then the message came. " Beliel...the ifrit pet is doing more dps then garuda pet"
Me: "really?"

I think the diference was for like 10 or so. nothing much

I then tested how ifrit would do in that fight since i never used him there. (gameplay wise).

Since i play on ps3 i cant test it myself, so thats why i was asking you.
Maybe i should test it when we raid or something, try with one and then another and ask them whats the score.

[Shayuki]

Some things:

Shadow Flare dmg is not increased by Raging Strikes at all.

Shadow Flare has at least 95% crit chance or so. I had it crit 28 times in a row during testing.

Shadow Flare is completely ignored by parsers. Rest seems all right to me.

With Darklight everything, AK ring, and Relic +1, I parsed this during the initial 100 second burst phase on a dummy, Raging Strikes wasn't used, Enkindle wasn't used, Rouse was used twice and Spur once:


It ignores 2 and 8/10 Shadow Flares, around 80 per tick average. Hence we add 2240 DPS to Summoner, bringing it up to 16731 dmg dealt and ~167 DPS, with pet ~234 DPS.

Note that I had terrible luck with crits in this parse so you can add a bit of DPS to this to get the average. I can post the rotation if requested.

[Supersun]

Your Summon's stats are directly linked to your own character stats by a modifier. If you buff your STR, your pets gain STR. If you buff your INT, Emerald/Garuda's and Ifrit's spells hit harder. S

You have a source for a pet gaining Str based on your Str? As far as I can tell and have tested Int and Vit are the only primary stats that affect them (unless someone's done some pet parry testing or something).

[Darksword]

It's easy to test. Get a bunch of STR+ accessories, sic Ifrit on a target dummy using Obey, and compare average damage per hit with and without the STR gear. Make sure you resummon him after changing equipment though.

He doesn't gain damage for STR the way he does HP from VIT though. It has a smaller modifier, I think.

And I didn't mean to imply that RS buffed Shadow Flare. It was more just GP for the other DOTs that followed it.

I thank everyone for the contribution so far. Even I learned something!

[Maku]

Use Garuda in Titan. Period end of story. Get her lined up so she gets thrown off the side so you never have to worry about her getting hit by Weight of the Land. (She doesn't fall off by the way SHE CAN FLY. Really kinda cool that SE thought about that.) Ifiit was doing more damage? I simply don't believe it unless it got crazy lucky to never get hit by landslide and get pushed back and have to run back thus killings its DPS for that amount of time. Something was definitelly wanky in your Titan fight if an Ifrit was doing more than your Garuda.

[silentwindfr]

people tend to forget the auto attack from ifrit, 2.5 sec, the skill have a 3 sec of gcd. on 15 sec you will get 6 auto attack for 5 skill, and as time pass this difference increase. it where come the difference, without requiem foe, ifrit on long fight will deal a bit more of damage. and it enkindle will deal more damage too.

[PessimiStick]

people tend to forget the auto attack from ifrit, 2.5 sec, the skill have a 3 sec of gcd. on 15 sec you will get 6 auto attack for 5 skill, and as time pass this difference increase. it where come the difference, without requiem foe, ifrit on long fight will deal a bit more of damage. and it enkindle will deal more damage too.

Except he doesn't. Please look at the parses Keeve has posted which show that you are wrong.