Summoner Responsibilities and Spell Rotations

[Ardan]

Thunder can be extended by contagion.

[silentwindfr]

every dot you place are extended by contagion.

[Kevee]

the damage of both are the same, simply:

ifrit = auto attack + one skill
garuda = one spell

both hit for the same, but ifrit can't be silence and gain a bit of speed on each attack.
the AoE attack of ifrit hit harder too and can be cumuled with an auto-attack.

for Enkindle ifrit one leave a pretty nasty DoT on all the target it, when garuda is a Direct Damage.

the main trouble of ifrit, it's that he need a more important micro management than garuda.

about contagion, simply reduce the mana consumption and allows to spam a bit more ruin. without forget it's usefull only every 60second.

No.

Ifrit is weaker.

His AoE is weaker.

His damage isn't increased by Foe Req.

And he doesn't have Contagion.


Don't use Ifrit, ever.

[silentwindfr]

before begin, i have test what i say, i don't simply go around read the forum.

and like i have said, maybe you have miss it, if your group don't have a bard (means no foe req.) get ifrit, he will deal more damage.

now let see some point.
garuda-egi:
- windblade: potency 100
- aerial slash: potency 90 in AoE

ifrit-egi:
- burning strike: potency 120
- flaming crush: potency 105 in AoE (this one is true, deal less damage than the counter part of garuda-egi)

other point in favor of ifrit, he do have an auto attack at 2.5sec, all it skill are instant.

other point pretty important, the enkindle, the damage of the one of ifrit become insane, where i get 1000 critical with garuda per target, i will get 700 with ifrit + 120-150 of damage every 3 sec for 15 second.
let's be kind 700+(120x5) = 1300 damage, per target.

like have said, without a bard, ifrit is more interesting, but ask more micro management, garuda is way simplier at use, the only complicate thing it's use contagion every 60 second.

[Kevee]

before begin, i have test what i say, i don't simply go around read the forum.

and like i have said, maybe you have miss it, if your group don't have a bard (means no foe req.) get ifrit, he will deal more damage.

You haven't tested it.

You're just looking at the potency.

I HAVE tested.

Here, have some real data:


http://i.imgur.com/KncsHRD.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/eSN0wrF.jpg


Ifrit does less damage than Garuda, period.

[Beliel]

You haven't tested it.

You're just looking at the potency.

I HAVE tested.

Here, have some real data:


http://i.imgur.com/KncsHRD.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/eSN0wrF.jpg


Ifrit does less damage than Garuda, period.

Well today i was doing a couple of titan runs and there was me and another SMN there, me with garuda, and the other with Ifrit.
A member of my ls was there and he was running a parser (i cant test myself because i play on ps3) and he was saying that ifrit was parsing more dps then garuda.
So, keeve could you do the same test on real targets instead of dummie, maybe theres something diferent that can influence the results. (unless the test you did was already in real targets, your image shows dummie so im assuming you did on them).

[Kevee]

A member of my ls was there and he was running a parser (i cant test myself because i play on ps3) and he was saying that ifrit was parsing more dps then garuda.
So, keeve could you do the same test on real targets instead of dummie, maybe theres something diferent that can influence the results. (unless the test you did was already in real targets, your image shows dummie so im assuming you did on them).

There is no reason at all to test on "live" targets.

Garuda does more on dummy, it will do more in every scenario on a live target.
It's ranged, Landslide doesn't effect it as much as Ifrit. It will have more up-time on Titan(when he jumps), and less micro management(needing to move Ifrit out of cleave). Garuda is also better at taking out Gaols/prisons because it will not need to move. Not to mention Ifrit doesn't have contagion, and Foe Req doesn't work for Ifrit so that's even less of a reason to use it.

The difference was probably due to a gear discrepancy.

[Beliel]

I was the one with better gear.
But then again im not talking about contagion (since that aftects smn dps not pet) i was talking about the pet alone.
About micro management. He gets healed by medica so, i dont think there´s a need to move him out of cleaves. (i tested the fight with him to see how it goes, i didnt had to do anything and he kept alive all the time, getting healed by medica and succor)
Im not saying that he is better then garuda, which i think its not, just for the fact garuda have better survability, contagion, but i just found it was weird he dealing more dps then garuda when everyone was saying the oposite. And since everyone was testing on dummies, maybe on real targets other variables would come into place.

[Kevee]

i dont think there´s a need to move him out of cleaves.

Cleaves do full damage to our pets and would insta-kill him. Is he staying in front, with the tank, after the jump?

Maybe Titan has no true cleave, then.

[Beliel]

Guess i had lucky on my tries with him in that fight then.