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    The ninja may not be the only class/job we get when Yugiri starts training people. She mentions moving all of the survivors of her city. There are bound to be a few more people with some tricks up their sleeves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathscythe343 View Post
    The ninja may not be the only class/job we get when Yugiri starts training people. She mentions moving all of the survivors of her city. There are bound to be a few more people with some tricks up their sleeves.
    Yes, I thought of that as well, but that also made me think that this would point to DRK as a tank job because I don't think they will release 2 DPS jobs. It would be a bad idea at least; we do need more tanks and I was hoping a 1 each role release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    Probably assassin actually, but yes, DRK not first.
    Assassin is pretty uncommon in the FF realms, being that it's only in 3 games, playable in 2 of those games. I'd be surprised if they brought in Assassin instead of Ninja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    Assassin is pretty uncommon in the FF realms, being that it's only in 3 games, playable in 2 of those games. I'd be surprised if they brought in Assassin instead of Ninja.
    Well the NPC we saw in the 2.2 storyline is wearing the assassin Iconic outfit. Source. However with that rat tail of her's she is obviously a rat race vs. the common rabbit race.

    If they do add in an actual ninja, I think it might actually be a tank, if they already have an assassin job in the game. Historic ninja don't like actually killing and utilised a number of defensive tactics in their acts of escaping. Cool video on it.
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    Didn't Yoshida say that Ninja will never be tank in this game?

    Historic ninja don't like actually killing and utilised a number of defensive tactics in their acts of escaping.
    They also didn't like being seen, or their presence being known at all. Which is the opposite of what tanks want.
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    Last edited by Exstal; 04-23-2014 at 09:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    Well the NPC we saw in the 2.2 storyline is wearing the assassin Iconic outfit.
    It's not the Assassin "iconic" outfit (not entirely sure it can be "iconic" given that you're talking about an outfit only used in 2 games where every other implementation looks nothing the same). The assassin outfit you're referring to has a shortcloak, jumper/onesie, separated sleeves/armguards, and a face/head wrap for the mask. Yugiri has a hood, a tunic, bracers, gloves, chainmail pants and boots, and either a pullup from her tunic/undershirt to cover her face or a tighly pulled mask. About the only thing that they have in common is the mask.

    Using the outfit as "evidence" that she's an assassin rather than a ninja is ludicrous since it's not even the assassin outfit.

    What she's wearing is a closer approximation of the NIN outfit which is generally comprised of a hood, mask, tunic, bracers/armguards, loose pants, and boots. The only thing different about Yugiri's outfit from the traditional NIN outfit is that she has tight pants. She's a NIN, not an assassin.

    If they do add in an actual ninja, I think it might actually be a tank, if they already have an assassin job in the game.
    Yoshi has already said that NIN will never be a tank because the idea is ludicrous on the face of it. NIN were *stealthy* which is completely and totally contradictory to the idea of a tank. Nowhere in the entire FF series can you find an example where NIN was actually intended to be a tank, and the only example where you *can* find wherein NIN was a tank (FFXI), it wasn't because of the developers thinking it was a keen idea; it was because the devs made a stupid mistake by giving NIN too powerful of a personal survival tool, and the player base completely changed their metagame around said ability. In FFXI, the only reason the devs made NIN a straight up tank was because they had to cede to the player metagame; if the players hadn't turned them into tanks and done so to a monumental degree such that they were often the *preferred* tank, the devs would never have allowed NIN to be tanks.

    NIN is going to be DPS. There's no question about it.

    Historic ninja don't like actually killing and utilised a number of defensive tactics in their acts of escaping. Cool video on it.
    Are you seriously using a video about video game ninjas as a link to historic ninjas? The "defensive tactics" of the historic ninja were almost entirely evasive techniques; not "dodge the sword" but "run away or hide so that they can't catch me". I really don't see a tank doing that.
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    Last edited by Kitru; 04-23-2014 at 10:02 PM.

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    I see dark night being a job stemming from the marauder class. The class is already 2 handed so they could have a scythe or great sword. Now obviously we only have 5 slots for a job so keep that in mind and they will still have tank armor which has its benefit as u will see. I'm seeing pug/arc as sub which seems op to me so maybe pug/arc or thm

    Souleater next weapon skill 20% hp converted to dmg cannot be used with darkness.

    Darkness single atk. Dmg given is absorbed

    Crushing blow high dmg+bind

    Vehemence 50%dmg up 50 def down

    Unholy sacrifice 30% hp sac for high aoe dmg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roffel View Post
    I see dark night being a job stemming from the marauder class. The class is already 2 handed so they could have a scythe or great sword. Now obviously we only have 5 slots for a job so keep that in mind and they will still have tank armor which has its benefit as u will see. I'm seeing pug/arc as sub which seems op to me so maybe pug/arc or thm

    Souleater next weapon skill 20% hp converted to dmg cannot be used with darkness.

    Darkness single atk. Dmg given is absorbed

    Crushing blow high dmg+bind

    Vehemence 50%dmg up 50 def down

    Unholy sacrifice 30% hp sac for high aoe dmg.
    It would a crying shame if SE doesn't give DRK its own base class.
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    Why give its own base class when Mrd has all the skills it already has that's menacing? Berserk? Vengeance? Storms blow which increase slashing dmg? It's all right there overpower???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    It would a crying shame if SE doesn't give DRK its own base class.
    I agree with Roffel. Marauder kind of makes sense for this.
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