Dark Knight

[Exstal]

Last I checked the Dark Knight is a DPS or DD class.

Last time I checked, every single class before FFXI was a DPS or DD class.

[yondaimeflash]

Last time I checked, every single class before FFXI was a DPS or DD class.

You know your funny but sarcasm doesn't work on me. If you seriously don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all because your is wasting peoples time.

[Ragnirok]

You know your funny but sarcasm doesn't work on me. If you seriously don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all because your is wasting peoples time.

He's right though. People want DRK to be a dps class when it could actually work as a tank class and in all honesty should be implemented as such. The only basis people have that DRK belongs in the dps role is from FFXI. Before that there was no roles and anything depicting the DRK class was statistically built with high armor/health.
As for your butt hurt attitude toward his post take your own advice.

Edit: I finally found the post I wanted to link here in the first place. Kitru posted it months back and I thank him for it.

If you actually look at the various incarnations of Dark Knights over games other than XI, they've actually been a very tanky class:
The very first Dark Knight is Leon from FF2 who is a one of your most durable characters, with high hp and defense. The only "damage dealer" kind of thing he gets is access to Black Magic, which is no more anti-tank within the confines of the classless FF systems than PLD getting White Magic.
Cecil, in FF4, is *still* super tanky while a Dark Knight, what with high defense, hp, and heavy armor. The only "damage dealer" aspect he gets is the whole sacrifice-hp-to-increase-damage/deal-damage thing, which still doesn't preclude his tankiness given the fact that he is still your most durable character *and* it's another of the FF games where you don't have anything resembling a trinity construct so even the durable characters are supposed to be throwing out as much damage as possible.
In FFX-2, Dark Knight is, once again, a highly durable class: high hp and high defense. The same explanation of hp-sacrifice as applied to Cecil applies here.
In FFT (which the devs seem to be drawing a lot of their inspiration from), Dark Knight is *explicitly* a tank class: heavy armor, shields, knight swords, and an at-will hp regain ability that makes them virtually impossible to kill. Gafgarion is one of your best tanks outright.

The only incarnation of DRK that is an explicit damage dealer rather than following the model for tanks that the devs have been drawing from to turn into tanks for ARR is FFXI, which is nowhere *close* to "all games". At worst, DRK was a tank that used BLM instead of WHM. In general, it was a tank that had the option to sacrifice hp to become a damage dealer for a short period.

It's important to keep in mind that in every single Final Fantasy, with the exception of XI, *there was no trinity*. Everyone was expected to deal damage and take hits. If your only definition of "tank" is "has cover" then the only tank that would be around would be PLD, which is a *terrible* idea for an MMO since having only a single option for a role is boring as hell. When you're pulling classes from games that don't have a trinity and assigning them roles to fit *into* a trinity, you have to look at attributes other than "takes damage for other people" (especially given the fact that oftentimes the characters aren't actually meant to be balanced against one another); you look for high defense, high hp, and a lower than average damage dealing capacity compared to the explicit damage dealers (Cecil as DK compared to Edge or Yang; DK dressphere compared to Gunner or Thief; Dark Knight in FFT compared to monk, lancer, archer, or ninja).

[yondaimeflash]

He's right though. People want DRK to be a dps class when it could actually work as a tank class and in all honesty should be implemented as such. The only basis people have that DRK belongs in the dps role is from FFXI. Before that there was no roles and anything depicting the DRK class was statistically built with high armor/health.
As for your butt hurt attitude toward his post take your own advice.

Edit: I finally found the post I wanted to link here in the first place. Kitru posted it months back and I thank him for it.

No your right about all the Dark Knights of the past having pretty much been a Tank Cecil being my favorite and in no way was I saying that DrK couldn't be Tank if you read my first post I was just saying that from the mmo stand point that DrK was dps /dd. either way I just want my favorite job back ^.^ I just don't appreciate when ppl have sarcasm like theirs

[Ragnirok]

No your right about all the Dark Knights of the past having pretty much been a Tank Cecil being my favorite and in no way was I saying that DrK couldn't be Tank if you read my first post I was just saying that from the mmo stand point that DrK was dps /dd. either way I just want my favorite job back ^.^

There is only 1 example though of it being a dps and that was XI. Now for all its "acclaim" and grandeur people are looking at XI through rose colored glasses should not be used as any basis for this game whatsoever. I do understand your desire to have it as a dps as I am also the same way. But I think it would be better for the overall health of the game if it was implemented as a tank.

[yondaimeflash]

There is only 1 example though of it being a dps and that was XI. Now for all its "acclaim" and grandeur people are looking at XI through rose colored glasses should not be used as any basis for this game whatsoever. I do understand your desire to have it as a dps as I am also the same way. But I think it would be better for the overall health of the game if it was implemented as a tank.

I just hope as a Tank that the weapon they are given isn't a big a** sword. ^^

[Instrumentality]

Yes, give one class multiple tanking jobs. This will work out splendidly.

I mean having multiple different ways to tank worked so splendidly for Death Knight in WoW.

[Ragnirok]

Yes, give one class multiple tanking jobs. This will work out splendidly.

I mean having multiple different ways to tank worked so splendidly for Death Knight in WoW.

If you read the post it said that the two iterations would be dps from GLD job or tank from an entirely new job. I'll just chalk it up to ignorance.

[Exstal]

You know your funny but sarcasm doesn't work on me. If you seriously don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all because your is wasting peoples time.

It isn't sarcasm. You're trying to tell me in every Final Fantasy game ever released except for FFXI there was a such thing as TANK/DPS/Healer? My original post was incorrect though.

Last time I checked, every single class before FFXI was a DPS or DD class.

It should actually have said, "Last time I checked, every single class, that wasn't a pure healer, before FFXI was a DPS or DD class."

But please, if you have some proof to the contrary I would like to see it. Since you have nothing nice to say, you're wasting people's time with your biased view.

[Sanadaiyeve]

Totally going DRK if it involves a scythe or a one handed sword.