Tank threat is awful

[Kalenen]

The threat for tanks is absolutley awful when it comes to both single target and AoE,

Especially when youre playing with a relic +1 geared dps it is a constant struggle to keep threat on both single target and aoe when neither can be casted at the same time...

if i go full single threat generating cause he is about to aggro i have no way of casting any aoe threat abilities and since they have aoe up also they then steal the threat off them

The tanks need a serious overhaul i cant be the only one thinking this. even on titan hardmode im tanking boss and white mages are at 95% threat

and the constant bloody missing of my spells dont exactly contribute to me holding aggro

[Caraway]

Aggro management isn't just the tank's job.

Threat is perfectly balanced the way it is. DPS needs to learn that the key to doing their job well is riding just beneath the threat the tank is holding, not going balls to the wall on pull.

This isn't WoW. There is no "I have infinity aggro" button, and DPS can't just face-roll their rotation until the bad thing stops twitching.

[HiirNoivl]

I admit that something needs to change but it's not a major overhaul of the -game- that's needed. Especially on PLD/GLA. Circle of Scorn and Flash are both Insta-cast AoEs. You should have no issues generating AoE threat because these items can be used within your single target combos. Plus with your Riot Blade, Flash is spammable. You should be have no issues at all with AoE hate generation.

First of all, check that your Shield Oath/Defiance is on. Also be sure that you're not facepulling your targets, running up and then starting your combo that is a sure way to gimp your initial threat. Always pull with Shield Lob/Tomahawk.

Be sure you're buffing your damage before you pull. Use Fight or Flight/Berserk when you use your combos to generate maximum hate in the beginning. For further threat generation use your DoTs Circle of Scorn/Fracture.

[Raiz_Cineris]

nothing needs to be changed. I have seen tanks hold group aggro through pretty much any onslaught imaginable in game.. You need to play with better players.

[ispano]

He's somewhat correct though. If you have good DPS, and one is Single targeting and the other AoEing, sometimes even a healer going all out in one way or another, doing both at the same time CAN be an issue. Not a flaw with the system mind you, but a flaw with players not doing the same thing.

[HiirNoivl]

You have to manage aggro by checking all the mobs' meters. It's true that spamming Flash works only if people are doing what they're supposed to (Melee attacking one target, WHM not casting Medica II all the time) but even if they're not doing things perfectly right, if you see that a mob has full health, chances are it's full of WHM hate. Use Rage of Halone/Butchers Block in a combo on it.

They could make it so that you could see all the mob hate in real time without targeting them I guess? But you're still not going to press a button once and stay at the top of the hate-list.

[Kalenen]

i play with my bard friend hes full DL, relic +1 and he cant go full out dps wich is the point of gearing up isnt it. to put that extra dps on the target! but he simply cant cause the threat cannot be maitnaned by a tank today, no atleast with my friend dpsing

[Kalenen]

i tried fast blade, savage blade, blind. 2 blinds plus that aoe dot, then rage of halone and rince n reapat. cannot hold threat

i tried fast blade, flash, savage blade, flash, rage of halone, flash... Cannot hold threat its just impossible

[HiirNoivl]

Having good gear doesn't give anyone a license to play a DPS job like a gorilla. If you want to "open up" that hot DPS you have to create the conditions where this is viable. Obviously, this won't be on a fresh mob pull. Because trash mobs are short-lived and are pulled frequently, I'm afraid your friend is going to have to hold it until a boss.

EDIT: Or use Quelling Strike.

[Caraway]

i play with my bard friend hes full DL, relic +1 and he cant go full out dps wich is the point of gearing up isnt it. to put that extra dps on the target! but he simply cant cause the threat cannot be maitnaned by a tank today, no atleast with my friend dpsing

Your friend is playing DPS wrong if he's trying to do that right at pull. They have to let you build up your aggro while they ramp up their DPS. They can't just go full-tilt right from your Shield Lob, it just doesn't work like that.

If you want to go through things faster, have them wait a few hits before dropping their heavy hits. You'll have an established aggro lead and it will give them time to pound out the heavy hits.

And instead of spamming flash, once you have established aggro on the main target, weave your Enmity combo through the other mobs. Drop DoTs on everything as well because that will accumulate Enmity while the DoT is ticking and no one else is on the target.