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    Cerith's Avatar
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    Maxwell Lytes
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    Sort of an amateur question here, I suppose, but does giving your back up prevent you from block/parry etc.. or have any negative impact your mitigation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerith View Post
    Sort of an amateur question here, I suppose, but does giving your back up prevent you from block/parry etc.. or have any negative impact your mitigation?
    It might affect block or parry but honestly it doesn't matter a whole lot because anything your running from usually doesn't attack due to casting/charging Spells/TP Moves, you end up running out of range of their attack, or it can't be blocked anyways. You can pretty much time their attacks and turn around for a split second before the mob strikes anyways if you're feeling vulnerable.
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    Cloudcroft Ieyasu
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    Backpedalling is great for microadjustments, or when I am lazy in ifrit and dont feel like moving for first plumes and back up for second. Never used it for dodging. I find it better to tank close quarters and run through the mob for most things.
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    Rage Bladerunner
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    ... I thought back pedaling was just something cosmetic MMO developers created to entertain children. Micro adjustments be damned, tapping both mouse buttons in a given direction are about as micro as they get!
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    Tahlia Panipahr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    ... I thought back pedaling was just something cosmetic MMO developers created to entertain children. Micro adjustments be damned, tapping both mouse buttons in a given direction are about as micro as they get!
    Sure, you can do that. If you like exposing your back to monsters. That's always the sign of an good tank (and an adult) :P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi View Post
    Sure, you can do that. If you like exposing your back to monsters. That's always the sign of an good tank (and an adult) :P.
    Timing is the key to victory. Just like you can time the AOE to move out of it, you can time the auto-attack to properly position without worry about getting hit but I wonder why strafing from wherever the monster was to where it should be wasn't achieved off the first pull... You do know you can strafe the full 180 degrees and it still counts as being in "front" of your character even though the back technically faces the mob... right?
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    People in this thread that actually use back pedaling will never clear content past Garuda hard mode. These same people live and die by keyboard turning. Take their advice if you want, but it will only make you a crappier tank.
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    Melfina Amastacia
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiZei View Post
    People in this thread that actually use back pedaling will never clear content past Garuda hard mode. These same people live and die by keyboard turning. Take their advice if you want, but it will only make you a crappier tank.
    I use KB/M without legacy controls, so I backpedal. I don't keyboard turn, no sane KB/M player does. Backpedaling has its uses, the only people I really see that want to throw it under the bus are people who have mostly played games with controllers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Backpedaling has its uses, the only people I really see that want to throw it under the bus are people who have mostly played games with controllers.
    Cosmetically I'm sure it does, but logically in what way can you justify 50% movement speed without seeing where you're going (unless you hold V simultaneously) over 100% movement speed with precision movement in half the time and not turning your back toward the boss?

    Can you back pedal? Sure. As a 5th turn coil tank and former top .5% of all PVPers on the World of Warcraft (where you must move behind and keep your target- a thinking PLAYER trying to prevent you from doing so- to stop them from using abilities or die) I would merely ask SHOULD you back pedal?
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    Last edited by Exrage; 10-21-2013 at 04:15 AM. Reason: Typos, apologies.

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    Rap Breon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exrage View Post
    Cosmetically I'm sure it does, but logically in what way can you justify 50% movement speed without seeing where you're going (unless you hold V simultaneously) over 100% movement speed with precision movement in half the time and not turning your back toward the boss?

    Can you back pedal? Sure. As a 5th turn coil tank and former top .5% of all PVPers on the World of Warcraft (where you must move behind and keep your target- a thinking PLAYER trying to prevent you from doing so- to stop them from using abilities or die) I would merely ask SHOULD you back pedal?
    I am both of these things as well and I use back-pedal, the decreased movement speed has its uses. They're limited, but I'd gain literally nothing (an awkward as fuck extra hot-key I guess) by rebinding S as I can swivel and strafe out of almost anything to begin with anyway.

    I use it to counter launch mechanics in MMO PvP all the time. S+A/D can move you diagonally and slowly in a direction by tiny margins (we're talking tippity taps) so that when they do knock-back they'll fling me into a flag-post or something silly (good example would be the lamp-posts in Huttball [SWOTR]). Attempting that by turning would put me a at a disadvantage as I may overshoot and fall off the ramp, miss a global or an auto. So in this circumstance I should.

    I'm sure another person would feel entirely uncomfortable with this and prefer a different way. Is it better? For the specific situations I do it in? Maybe, I'd need proof and even then completely re-gearing the way I play games (more than just MMOs) might not be worth the minuscule performance increase.

    Edit: if you can't see where you're going, your camera is way too close!

    TL;DR: Back-pedalling can be justified in certain circumstances; bads who do it in PvP 24/7 gave it a stigma that envelopes anybody who hasn't unbound S to this day.
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    Last edited by RapBreon; 10-21-2013 at 02:20 PM.

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