PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Soulburn32]

It's called being over geared for content. You're not special. Get over yourself.

[Jonjey]

It's called being over geared for content. You're not special. Get over yourself.

Any WAR in VIT gear will do more than any PLD in similar gear.
This was my point, I just added that STR is better for WAR either way.

[Vmage]

I parse almost everything and have had well geared relic pld's tanking titan compared to (the same person) well geared relic war tanking titan both in full vit gear and both in their respective tanking stance, every single time his WAR parsed about 1.5x more damage than his PLD. That's close enough to twice the damage for me.

that's odd, anytime i've been parsed on titan whether it was pld or war the dps was right around 110

although they were geared the same and stat allocated the same - because y'know, i was tanking

i wouldn't be surprised at all if a str allocated war with dps gear outdps'd a paladin though - makes sense

i think the thread here is kindof missing the point though, which ironically you've already brought up:

It's good to have an actual tank.

the same thing that makes paladins better in titan and coil is the same thing that makes them better in farm content - they require less heals

your whm will be able to spam holy on trash packs in ak/wanderers, your scholar will be bane-ing dots around to everything, honestly unless you're doing one of those 9+ mob pulls they probably won't even have to leave cleric stance

that's simply not the case with a warrior

and i have yet to hear of a warrior claiming to outdps bane'd scholar dots/holy spam on trash packs - probably because that isn't possible

[Dagimp007]

It's called being over geared for content. You're not special. Get over yourself.

what i was gonna post.... why are paladins starting to complain... oh on ifirit all i do is stun... oh after being way over geared for content wars are better, but still arent wanted but many for current content..... seriously, i will say the same thing i said to wariors, if you dont like how the class is played reroll. i honestly am getting ready to lvl up a pally just so i have my main of a war cause i enjoy playing it but then will have a pally for those spots that call for a pally

[Soulburn32]

Any WAR in VIT gear will do more than any PLD in similar gear.
This was my point, I just added that STR is better for WAR either way.

You warriors really do need to L2P. You do more damage because your self healing is based off of your damage.

[Dagimp007]

Any WAR in VIT gear will do more than any PLD in similar gear.
This was my point, I just added that STR is better for WAR either way.

Pally is a evasion tank..... war is a damage dealing tank.... was there a confusion they would do more damage then a pally, most wars will still stack Vit cause they need it to have a chance to survive

[M1A2]

Tanks make up little of a groups total dps even more so in 8 man content that it doesn't really make a big difference. However I think the best option would be to level both warrior and paladin to have the option of tanking as either one.

[Soulburn32]

Tanks make up little of a groups total dps even more so in 8 man content that it doesn't really make a big difference. However I think the best option would be to level both warrior and paladin to have the option of tanking as either one.

pretty much. with 2 fully relic +1 and some myth gear 2 dps are gonna smash everything in ak so fast anyway warrior extra 20dps wont make any real change.

Oh you finished in 24 minutes to my 26 minutes? Do I really care?

[Sousoulsu]

By that logic, it's a waste to not use another DPS instead of a Warrior tank in AKs.
Warriors are desperate to legitimize the bad lot they were given by SE - which is stupid. They should all be complaining about their job being undertuned instead of trying to legitimize it by saying "We do gud deeps!"

[Kunkka]

Dat hyperbole.

It's been proven many times the difference in DPS is no where near the level you are making it out to be.

I think you mean understatement. When you pull 6+ mobs and aoe them, WAR dps might actually triple PLDs. WAR BLM BLM WHM is ridiculously good at speed clearing dungeons, especially WP. I haven't tried 2 BLM yet, but with just 1, 12 minute clears of WP were possible.