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    Masta's Avatar
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    Masta Shake
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade View Post
    Interesting spreadsheet. I got a kick out of the medica II 8/24 man heal threat ratios vs pld lol

    One thing that surprised me was how low regen threat is listed. It seems like 1 tick of regen before the tank hits a boss and it is impossible to get the boss off of me. Maybe I'm just remembering encounters where warriors were tanking I dunno.
    SE made changes to how enmity is created with regen is why. I could explain but no need unless you want to know etc.
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    Jyoeru Zaberu
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    Did your sheet take into consideration Cure II free procs and Cure III overpowers? Granted, those are on some unpredictable and unreliable mechanics, but they still improve HPM for both spells over a long fight.

    Also, your HPM seems to only look at single target effect. A spell that gives multiple players healing benefit would not only increase HPM, but also reduces healing stress.

    I guess the question is, what do we do with spreadsheet data for healing? Healing is completely situational and conditional. It's hard to utilize static figures for developing a healing strategy when any given fight will give you a different set of stresses and variable. Some fights, for example, may require more AOE healing.

    Kudos on taking the time to figure this all out. I do not mean to discredit your efforts or trivialize their values at all.
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    Asuna Yuuki
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    mmmmm I dont know how accurate this chart is...

    I have an option now of weather replace 3 darklight pieces for 3 Hero items, or get my Thyrus +1

    Based on this the Thyrus will give me a better heal by ~30 HPS...
    Crit seems like is not being considered at all...
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    Wexism Sync
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineAyumi View Post
    mmmmm I dont know how accurate this chart is...

    I have an option now of weather replace 3 darklight pieces for 3 Hero items, or get my Thyrus +1

    Based on this the Thyrus will give me a better heal by ~30 HPS...
    Crit seems like is not being considered at all...
    You're going to have to be more specific...

    3 MD greatly outweighs crit though.
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    Wexism Sync - Tonberry (JP) - Eikon
    http://www.xivarmory.com/character/2501717

    WHM Healing Spreadsheet
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107651-WHM-Healing-Spreadsheet

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    Aedra Laevatein
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineAyumi View Post
    mmmmm I dont know how accurate this chart is...

    I have an option now of weather replace 3 darklight pieces for 3 Hero items, or get my Thyrus +1

    Based on this the Thyrus will give me a better heal by ~30 HPS...
    Crit seems like is not being considered at all...
    For whm,
    Crit = overheal. You can't wait for tank hp to go low and hope for crit cure I to top off your tank instead of casting cure II.
    Crit heal on 1st cast right after pull = dead whm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedra View Post
    For whm,
    Crit = overheal. You can't wait for tank hp to go low and hope for crit cure I to top off your tank instead of casting cure II.
    Crit heal on 1st cast right after pull = dead whm.
    You should be using Swiftcast > Stoneskin > Regen/Cure > Cure/Regen on the pull. This is more than enough GCDs for tank to get aggro.
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    Wexism Sync - Tonberry (JP) - Eikon
    http://www.xivarmory.com/character/2501717

    WHM Healing Spreadsheet
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    Hsinrog Lianed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syncness View Post
    You should be using Swiftcast > Stoneskin > Regen/Cure > Cure/Regen on the pull. This is more than enough GCDs for tank to get aggro.
    You realize that every tick of that regen on the Stoneskin tank is just generating overhealing threat right?

    And are we talking about AK/WP or Coil or HM Primals? Wasting a Swiftcast on a Stonekin seems rather silly since in AK/WP you can easily time your Stoneskin cast to land as the tank finishes up a pull or heads to the next one. On Primals, the only one you really need to worry about is possibly Titan, and after Landslide you have more than enough time to cast Stoneskin on him before MB anyhow.

    End game you should be weighting PIE>DET>SS>Crit

    PIE is our only source of scaling mana regen and the larger the piety pool, the longer we'll sustain healing in a fight, the less we need to call for a ballad, the more our group can focus on dps, the faster the content goes down.

    DET for obvious reasons. SS for reduced casting time, reduced gcd, and smoother overall healing. Crit is always last because no WHM should ever be relying on RNG to heal (as we do not benefit from any overhealing at all as SCH do). In addition, our overhealing just adds onto the threat issues we already have as WHM.

    I definitely appreciate the work you've done with the spreadsheet though and wish more people would visit/contribute to r/ffxivtc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionsden View Post
    You realize that every tick of that regen on the Stoneskin tank is just generating overhealing threat right?

    And are we talking about AK/WP or Coil or HM Primals? Wasting a Swiftcast on a Stonekin seems rather silly since in AK/WP you can easily time your Stoneskin cast to land as the tank finishes up a pull or heads to the next one. On Primals, the only one you really need to worry about is possibly Titan, and after Landslide you have more than enough time to cast Stoneskin on him before MB anyhow.

    snip
    I'm talking about Twintania of course...
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    Wexism Sync - Tonberry (JP) - Eikon
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    WHM Healing Spreadsheet
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    Ineb Yakiria
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    Dark light neck and ring stats are wrong. Not sure if others are. I just noticed when I picked my gear and stats weren't matching up to in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airikay View Post
    Dark light neck and ring stats are wrong. Not sure if others are. I just noticed when I picked my gear and stats weren't matching up to in game.
    Fixed thanks. Ring PIE was 9 instead of 8, Neck SPSD was 8 instead of 9.
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    Wexism Sync - Tonberry (JP) - Eikon
    http://www.xivarmory.com/character/2501717

    WHM Healing Spreadsheet
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107651-WHM-Healing-Spreadsheet

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