Elitism and How It Is Ruining The Gaming Community [Discussion, Feedback, and Rants]

[HoroBoro]

I think you have some things wrong:

Elitism != Healthy

AK + WP does not require Darklight

This is not the worst endgame community (see LoL and Middle East)

Other then that - I understand your point and unfortunately there's nothing you can do aside from ignoring those who are assholes to you. Think of it as practice for life XD

[Ayiana_Arch]

I think you have some things wrong:
AK + WP does not require Darklight
XD

The dungeons do not require them, and people don't understand that. Before I was even considered ready for the runs, people told me I needed DL, which made no sense to me but I had to go along with it to get second lieutenant in my gc. It's things like this that made me create this thread. People have this misconception that unless you have DL, you're not going anywhere. You can do some things without it, but the majority does require DL. AK and WP are not one of them, at least in my opinion.

[HoroBoro]

The dungeons do not require them, and people don't understand that. Before I was even considered ready for the runs, people told me I needed DL, which made no sense to me but I had to go along with it to get second lieutenant in my gc. It's things like this that made me create this thread. People have this misconception that unless you have DL, you're not going anywhere. You can do some things without it, but the majority does require DL. AK and WP are not one of them, at least in my opinion.

I try to pug primals because it's fun. I have relic and do Titan with people because it's fun. I do AK and WP pubs because it's fun.

If I stop having fun, I stop playing the game. Simple as that. Don't be so focused on progression. If you are, you're gonna not have fun.

Find people who want to do content with you. Screw those that try to force you into anything.

If you want to progress according to the rules of someone else, I think you're looking for a Job. Which is OK - some people like to play games that way. But if you do, you're gonna have to put up with jerks. Because in real life, there are jerks. And you have to deal with them.

But not in a game. You can do what you want here.

[Ayiana_Arch]

I try to pug primals because it's fun. I have relic and do Titan with people because it's fun. I do AK and WP pubs because it's fun.

If I stop having fun, I stop playing the game. Simple as that. Don't be so focused on progression. If you are, you're gonna not have fun.

Find people who want to do content with you. Screw those that try to force you into anything.

If you want to progress according to the rules of someone else, I think you're looking for a Job. Which is OK - some people like to play games that way. But if you do, you're gonna have to put up with jerks. Because in real life, there are jerks. And you have to deal with them.

But not in a game. You can do what you want here.

Heh. The AK run was before I joined all of my LS's and my FC.

[Seiko769]

I kind of agree and disagree. You DON'T need full DL for AK or WP I've done plenty of AK and finished it with people still in AK gear and AF. It slows it down yes but it's possible. What I WOULD say as a non elitist is a minimum DPS character requirement for AK should be Ifrits weapon it's very easy to farm and is a lot better than greens or grays that I consistently see in DF that way the DPS goes faster and no ones carrying your sorry butt (like me DPSing on SCH to carry those people >.>)

As for Titan I'm a little more on the fence. YES you do 100% need full DL for Titan otherwise you'll never live plumes and you should be hit by single plumes a lot especially after the last phase. Now I've never seen anyone aside from maybe Titan sellers farming Titan but Titan is a tough fight so if your gonna want to say I wanna farm this you better know what they heck your doing mistakes shouldn't be made as much but at the same time we're still humans behind the screen so mistakes will always be made and should be tolerated. Sure a lot of people won't but it's to be expected if they don't cause if you farm= you know what your doing

[Lisotte]

As for Titan I'm a little more on the fence. YES you do 100% need full DL for Titan otherwise you'll never live plumes and you should be hit by single plumes a lot especially after the last phase. Now I've never seen anyone aside from maybe Titan sellers farming Titan but Titan is a tough fight so if your gonna want to say I wanna farm this you better know what they heck your doing mistakes shouldn't be made as much but at the same time we're still humans behind the screen so mistakes will always be made and should be tolerated. Sure a lot of people won't but it's to be expected if they don't cause if you farm= you know what your doing

Bullshit. You can easily hit 3.4k HP with AK gear and DL accessories, and you can get away with less than that. You'll still survive a plume.
Optimally you should be able to dodge all of the plumes anyway.

[Seiko769]

Bullshit. You can easily hit 3.4k HP with AK gear and DL accessories, and you can get away with less than that. You'll still survive a plume.
Optimally you should be able to dodge all of the plumes anyway.

A tank or Melee might be able to doubt a caster would and if you do go in full AK and DL accessories your not going at your best potential cause your missing a lotta stats from full DL. Possible? Yes. Makes it the easiest? No. As for plumes your NEVER gonna miss all of em optimally you just don't want stacks of them so u dont die when they do hit. Took me 5 days for my first titan drop and I was alive when the fight ended and guess what? I was eating single plumes a lot. I don't think it's ever possible to miss all of them

[Mysteltain]

A tank or Melee might be able to doubt a caster would and if you do go in full AK and DL accessories your not going at your best potential cause your missing a lotta stats from full DL. Possible? Yes. Makes it the easiest? No. As for plumes your NEVER gonna miss all of em optimally you just don't want stacks of them so u dont die when they do hit. Took me 5 days for my first titan drop and I was alive when the fight ended and guess what? I was eating single plumes a lot. I don't think it's ever possible to miss all of them

Actually, since Plumes are magic damage, us mages are more resistant to them. When I first ran it, most everyone would take 3k from a plume, whereas I--a BLM in WP and AK gear--only took 2k or so. Hell, all but two of the times I was the last person to die and it wasn't because our healers were focusing on me more than any other person. I was smart about my abilities. "Oh shit, I'm not dodging this, Manaward!" [0 damage!] "Bombs are coming, moving there now--wait, gotta adjust for that jerkish Landslide."

Yes, there are some points where gear is absolutely required. I would not run Titan in AF gear and without Ifrit's Cane or the DL Staff from WP, for example. But skill matters just as much, if not sometimes more.

[Zumi]

As for Titan I'm a little more on the fence. YES you do 100% need full DL for Titan otherwise you'll never live plumes and you should be hit by single plumes a lot especially after the last phase. Now I've never seen anyone aside from maybe Titan sellers farming Titan but Titan is a tough fight so if your gonna want to say I wanna farm this you better know what they heck your doing mistakes shouldn't be made as much but at the same time we're still humans behind the screen so mistakes will always be made and should be tolerated. Sure a lot of people won't but it's to be expected if they don't cause if you farm= you know what your doing

This is wrong I am 7/9 on relics most of my jobs were AK geared had around 3k HP. Plumes only do like 1500 damage if you get hit by 1, however if you memorize the pattern and premove you never get hit.

[Slate]

I think you have some things wrong:

Elitism != Healthy

AK + WP does not require Darklight

This is not the worst endgame community (see LoL and Middle East)

Other then that - I understand your point and unfortunately there's nothing you can do aside from ignoring those who are assholes to you. Think of it as practice for life XD

this is starting to give LoL a run for its money though, Bronze 4 forever