[Dragoons] Should be spamming AoEs for max DPS

[fistantalius]

As a Dragoon myself. I fine with all buffs. and hitting the mobs with all DoT skills, and Regular damage rotation. I am doing max damage according to the damage from the DoT skills, Buffs, and full combo rotation. I find I use around half of my total TP by this method. So when the room is cleared and going to the next room I have enough TP to once again max my damage the same way and never run out. The most important part of being a Dragoon is learning to do max Damage without running out of TP. I think full TP control and max damage allowed is rather high.

[ShinigamiB06]

As a Dragoon myself. I fine with all buffs. and hitting the mobs with all DoT skills, and Regular damage rotation. I am doing max damage according to the damage from the DoT skills, Buffs, and full combo rotation. I find I use around half of my total TP by this method. So when the room is cleared and going to the next room I have enough TP to once again max my damage the same way and never run out. The most important part of being a Dragoon is learning to do max Damage without running out of TP. I think full TP control and max damage allowed is rather high.

can you do me a favor and test out if using Doom Spike WITH the buffs does or does not do more damage than regular skills (when you hit 3 targets of course)

and just to reiterate, i dont think you should fully expend your TP using DS. i think you should use it enough that you can comfortably change to your regular rotation without a problem.

[Alenore]

It's better, yes. But, the tank would have to keep aggro (flash/overpower) on those three mobs, and if another player single target, it's likely he'd lose aggro after a while.

Now in PUGs, i'd rather kill one target asap to let the tank build a good aggro on the others and reduce the damages he receives, thus allowing the healer to breath and help DPS without risking the tank to die

So yes, it's a DPS increase and you'd have a better damage output than using your single target rotation, if and only if, the whole party AOE as well.
As for the bard, he'd lose 20% of his DPS to almost double yours.

[EasymodeX]

Uh, the problem is that with only 3 mobs, Doom Spike is not TP efficient. You'll crash way too fast.

For 3-4 mobs HT->ROT spam is pretty damn good. For 2 mobs, you multi-dot with Chaos Thrust + Phlebotomize on both targets.

If you pull 6+ mobs, then you Doom Spike spam (unless you are chain pulling 6+ in WP, then you stick with HT-ROT to lighten the TP drain).

[silentwindfr]

it was already prouved on other thread than exept rare class (smn mostly) it's far better to focus target, the tank will take less damage.
the smn is the only one to bhreak this rule since all him AoE are mostly DoT.

other point a lot of blm forget that them main role before dps is controller, is not for nothing that they have a AoE sleep, an AoE that snare,...

[KrayZee]

thats bollocks

[Odisseu]

Hello...

IMO...
Dragoons are single target DPS, period...
We have 3 AOE skills and all are odds... The Doom Spike is effective if you have mob in a row, otherwise it's a waste of TP and most of time tanker don't colaborate to leave mobs in row, so forget it...
Dragonfire Dive is the best AOE skill Dragoons have, but the recast time, well..

Finally, we have Ring of Thorns with to cause a better dmg must be used after HT, this could be the best AOE of Dragoons, but we all know it is easy to steal emnity and the dmg, well, I don't think it will be a savior...

At all, you will break a rotation in dps to call most of monsters to yourself, make the life of healer a hell, waste TP, get desnecessary work and stress managing TP and for what???

I'm not saying Dragoons can't use AOE, I'm saying that, focus in a single target will make better results than spaming AOE, we have classes to use WOE, let them use AOE...

BUT, as I said before it is MY opinion...

[Supersun]

Bump.

i want to hear more peoples thoughts on this because i keep getting bitched at instances even thought i know for a fact my over damage output is much higher like this...

Keep in mind that while YOUR damage may be higher it could easily be negatively affecting other players DPS depending on the circumstance.

For example your Pld has to flash more which means he has less time to 1,2,3.
Your Whm also can't sleep any mobs and depending on what you are fighting may have to spam cures to keep the tank alive instead of spamming their nukes on a single target with the other 2 slept.

There certainly is a time and place for AoE, but if you are doing this every single encounter without exception there probably is good reason for your party to complain.

[ShinigamiB06]

it was already prouved on other thread than exept rare class (smn mostly) it's far better to focus target, the tank will take less damage.
the smn is the only one to bhreak this rule since all him AoE are mostly DoT.

other point a lot of blm forget that them main role before dps is controller, is not for nothing that they have a AoE sleep, an AoE that snare,...

can you please provide me a link to that thread so i can check it out?

[ShinigamiB06]

ok. your argument is one of the most valid ones here. what exactly is pld 1,2,3? i only have a lv 50 drg so im not familiar with other class skills.

Also, if they were complaining about stuff like harm to tank or healer then might understand their complains. but their complains are that things would die faster and i would do more damage with my single target attacks. and i think that i already proved that not to be the case in my OP

And is a dragoon doing double damage not more efficient than a healer casting a few less offensive spells? im not being a smart ass, thats an honest question... being that a drg is a dps type, i would expect that double his output should over take any damage done by a non dps class. if not, then the party roles are not well balanced IMO