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  1. #11
    Player
    HoroBoro's Avatar
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    Marisa Kirisame
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 55
    Concerns:

    If you raging strikes on your first fire cycle, you WILL pull aggro if you get any procs at all.

    Why no double flare with a fire 1 and a potential fire-starter proc?

    Why no ether flares?

    Why not blizz 1 instead of scathe?

    Still unconvinced that transpose into firestarter is better than breaking/holding blizz 3. You lose a quick fire 1 cast.
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  2. #12
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    Kray Zee
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    Omega
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by HoroBoro View Post
    Concerns:

    Why not blizz 1 instead of scathe?
    we can easily calculate whether scathe or blizz one is better

    B1 = 150 Potency
    Scathe = 120 Potency + 120*1/5 = 144

    if you don't have to move, never ever use scathe DPS wise

    Still unconvinced that transpose into firestarter is better than breaking/holding blizz 3. You lose a quick fire 1 cast.
    I made the effort to test that, not 100 accurate but it should give away the correct answer

    Transpose + Fire3(firestarter)= 690 -748 dmg range with my equipment = 719 avg.
    Fire1 + Fire3 (firestarter) = 237-252 + 489-550 = 245 + 519 = 764

    you lose 79 mana due to fire 1 though, but it didn't matter I was able to cast thunder 2 , in fact transpose would've ruined my second UI3 tick and the casting time of fire1 (even though its really fast) was enough to fill up my mana to 100%
    though having said that, it's "luck" whether I end up with ~400 mana after my AF3->UI3 switch or with ~235, I don't know how I can force it to always happen, except for going like 15 piety or something

    for the double/tripple flare part, I wonder if its worth it or not, hardcasting flare always feels like a pain in the ass and I hate to rely on the first transpose tick.


    btw, is it possible to always cast 5 fire1 during your AF phase? because my rotation seems kinda off from time to time even though I'm not doing anything out of order
    sometimes I have around ~1100 Mana after my 4th Fire1 and sometimes only 952, 952 will force me to cast Thunder1 if I cast another fire, ~1100 will allow me to do Thunder 2
    is passive regeneration doing this?
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    Last edited by KrayZee; 10-16-2013 at 08:51 PM.

  3. #13
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    Xlree's Avatar
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    Xlree Stick
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I updated some of my rotation, and added in the macros that I personally use. Enjoy!
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  4. #14
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    How about t2>sleep for a rotation?
    Just kidding, but some dungeons i usually do so as i heard it allows tank time to get agro
    Just switching from a PLD to thm/bm i know very well how easy it is for bm to get more agro then tanks if not careful
    More info for me to obsorb so thanks for making this thread
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  5. #15
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    Banshem's Avatar
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    Character
    Banshem Alpheus
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    "Single Target Rotation w/ Flare (Situation Dependent if Swiftcast + Transpose are off CD)

    Transpose
    Fire (Attempting to get FS Proc)
    Blizzard III (This will take you to Umbral Ice III for MP regenration)
    Thunder II (Reapply only if needed otherwise I'll use Blizzard I untill MP is full)



    Just curious about this, when you transpose after your Swiftcast>Flare, you Transpose and start in Umbral I don't understand why you would spend the time building up AF when if you transpose and just use B3 you can be at full mana to restart your rotation where you want to use Blizzard 1 to fill up your mana?

    I think it should be:
    Blizzard 3
    Thunder 3 or 2 (by the time this cast is done and your next cast you will be at full mana)
    RS + Fire 3
    Fire (20% ish MP)
    Flare (this part you can choose if you want to double dip with Convert and Swiftcast Flare, its a personal choice)
    Transpose
    Blizzard 3
    Thunder (if needed, if no procs happened)
    Rinse and repeat.
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  6. #16
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    Xlree's Avatar
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    Xlree Stick
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Yeah you're right I had the fire thing in there before I had switched to the double flare using transpose thing and forgot to take it out. It most certainly is better to use blizzard III or just go ahead and use Thunder II and go back into your fire rotation. I updated the rotation page!
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  7. #17
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    Myrhn Shirayuki
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    I do:

    Thunder III > Fire > Fire > Fire > Raging Strikes > Fire until 400mp > Swiftcast > Flare > Convert > Fire > blizzard III > Thunder II > Fire III > and start all over again

    Fire III and Thunder III went proc happen and dont use flare unless i have Swiftcast and convert up
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    I love the official forums, they tell you to use the search for thread about what you wanted to talk but when you use it they judge for necro a thread.


  8. #18
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    GreyJorildyn's Avatar
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    Character
    Grey Jorildyn
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    In very burst-efficient situations, such as large WP or AK pulls, I find using Flare as main damage to be faster. It outputs more dmg in less time when there are > 3 targets on the field.

    If swift/convert/RS are up, meet PIE floor for 1116 MP after convert
    Fire III
    Raging Strikes
    Swiftcast+Flare
    Convert
    Fire II (if PIE >= 253)
    Flare
    Transpose
    Blizzard II
    (continue as below)
    (basic rotation if none of the above exist)
    Fire III
    Flare
    Transpose
    Blizzard II
    Repeat from green
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  9. #19
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    Xlree Stick
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    I do:

    Thunder III > Fire > Fire > Fire > Raging Strikes > Fire until 400mp > Swiftcast > Flare > Convert > Fire > blizzard III > Thunder II > Fire III > and start all over again

    Fire III and Thunder III went proc happen and dont use flare unless i have Swiftcast and convert up
    Not sure why you are hard casting Thunder III you are using more time to do the same potency as a thunder II. Also if you are going to use your convert it would seem better to go ahead and flare twice and then transpose.
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