8 mans pointless now

[BlossomRose]

How are 8man dungeons useless now? OP, did you fail out of middle school math?

AK averages 30-40 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/40 tomes.
CM averages 20-30 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/0 tomes.
Prae averages 18-30 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/0 tomes.
Garuda averages 5-7 minutes depending on group, and gives 15/10 tomes.

It's pretty obvious that once your Myth tomes are capped, CM/Prae are still optimal.

And if your group is great (1 tank, 1 healer, 6 dps), Garuda farming is better than AK.

So again... OP, did you flunk out of middle school math?

[Eliseus]

How are 8man dungeons useless now? OP, did you fail out of middle school math?

AK averages 30-40 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/40 tomes.
CM averages 20-30 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/0 tomes.
Prae averages 18-30 minutes depending on group, and gives 100/0 tomes.
Garuda averages 5-7 minutes depending on group, and gives 15/10 tomes.

It's pretty obvious that once your Myth tomes are capped, CM/Prae are still optimal.

And if your group is great (1 tank, 1 healer, 6 dps), Garuda farming is better than AK.

So again... OP, did you flunk out of middle school math?

Before you mock the OP you should probably get your times correct. I assume by your "averages" the first number is suppose to be at it's best (considering you put 18min prae run). Not only are most groups at it's best not doing 18 runs still, but at it's best, people can do 17, 18min AK runs (even faster then that, but I put some leniency due to the fact that not many people will be). On top of that, you can also turn AK gear in for GC seals if people like that. And offers more gil for the trash mobs that are actually killed.

A lot of this is based off of "great groups" also since you point out one for Garuda mind you.

[BlossomRose]

Before you mock the OP you should probably get your times correct. I assume by your "averages" the first number is suppose to be at it's best (considering you put 18min prae run). Not only are most groups at it's best not doing 18 runs still, but at it's best, people can do 17, 18min AK runs (even faster then that, but I put some leniency due to the fact that not many people will be). On top of that, you can also turn AK gear in for GC seals if people like that. And offers more gil for the trash mobs that are actually killed.

A lot of this is based off of "great groups" also since you point out one for Garuda mind you.

This is based on "average time people would expect out of speedruns with a full DL group". Yes, it could be even FASTER with a full relic+1 group that's on voice chat and using unorthodox techniques (pulling half of AK and doing it in one big aoe pull, etc). But those are the exceptions more than the norm.

Point being, 8mans aren't useless AT ALL, and doing AK all day every day gets old ANYWAY.

[Eliseus]

This is based on "average time people would expect out of speedruns with a full DL group". Yes, it could be even FASTER with a full relic+1 group that's on voice chat and using unorthodox techniques (pulling half of AK and doing it in one big aoe pull, etc). But those are the exceptions more than the norm.

Point being, 8mans aren't useless AT ALL, and doing AK all day every day gets old ANYWAY.

You can't put down to expect more than the norm on fights like garuda and praetorium, but not except to have more then the norm on ak lol. If you are putting averages out based off the performance of the group, your averages would be wrong (for example, no one will be doing 18min runs or 1 tank 1 healer on garuda).

[BlossomRose]

You can't put down to expect more than the norm on fights like garuda and praetorium, but not except to have more then the norm on ak lol. If you are putting averages out based off the performance of the group, your averages would be wrong (for example, no one will be doing 18min runs or 1 tank 1 healer on garuda).

Actually, 1 tank 1 healer 6 dps has become the norm on Ultros for farming Garuda, so huh... maybe not on Hyperion? But on Ultros that's how it goes. Ditto for Praetorium.

[Eliseus]

Actually, 1 tank 1 healer 6 dps has become the norm on Ultros for farming Garuda, so huh... maybe not on Hyperion? But on Ultros that's how it goes. Ditto for Praetorium.

You aren't getting it.

[BlossomRose]

You aren't getting it.

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

[Eliseus]

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

[BlossomRose]

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

On Ultros that's... basically how it is, yeah.

I don't know why it's that way but the average AK group on Ultros is minimum 30 minutes and goes as far as 40 minutes depending, because the server doesn't do the whole "run to boss/die" thing. And honestly, I don't care. AK is bland and boring, and you're better off just doing Garuda for a change of pace.

[falconix]

the only time i go back AK is to get the "self achievement" of killing wall boss without bee spawned and killing last boss on 2nd spawn....

And also i assuming all the post is about farming from DF?

If you are in a large FC.. 8man is better from my point of view cause we are helping our members to earn tomes fast for them to gear up..

But of cause if you are referring to DF..... i would say is all on "LUCK"