Pro-tip of the day.

[sasakusaku]

Countering one form of elitism with another is rather amusing. Thanks for the chuckle, OP.

[Radacci]

You're getting a little too trigger-happy on the comma key.

Besides, just because you joined a group that didn't go well doesn't mean all will be that bad. More often than not, if you join party with loads of newly 50s, it's probably going to take 10-15 mins longer.

I know I have been in relic parties that were great.
All I'm pointing out, is that it doesn't guarantee excellence, as some seem to think.
And actually i think it's more rare with a party full of new 50s; never been in any of those, that i can remember. And i wouldn't mind ending up in such a party anyways.

Countering one form of elitism with another is rather amusing. Thanks for the chuckle, OP.

You're welcome

[Genjisamurai]

OP this happened to me too! Guess what everyone in the group had relics except me it was 5 relic black mages, a tank and a healer. Guess what? They couldn't get past the second boss in CM LMAO! One dude said he was nervous I was in AF at the start. Yet they wiped three times! at second boss! They tried to over complicate things and all the black mages were pew pewing flare like crazy and not sleeping anything or letting tank get aggro. They all just kept dying and eventually everyone quit.

I could have already finished that CM run with a regular group...

[Staris]

Yes your a special snowflake, you transcend your gear and perform 120%.

Wait... no.. You don't

Yes even the best players can make mistakes, and skill has very little to do with gear.

However, if you have two groups of equally skilled players and one has even slightly better gear, guess which group does better?

You can't easily tell when picking up randoms who is skilled and unskilled, that's what friend lists, FCs and blocks lists are for. What you can easily, quickly, and reliably determine is what gear people have. I would rather control part of the equation then trust someone who whispers me, trust me I'm good (hint : everyone thinks they are good and that's ok!)

[Radacci]

Yes your a special snowflake, you transcend your gear and perform 120%.

Wait... no.. You don't

Yes even the best players can make mistakes, and skill has very little to do with gear.

However, if you have two groups of equally skilled players and one has even slightly better gear, guess which group does better?

You can't easily tell when picking up randoms who is skilled and unskilled, that's what friend lists, FCs and blocks lists are for. What you can easily, quickly, and reliably determine is what gear people have. I would rather control part of the equation then trust someone who whispers me, trust me I'm good (hint : everyone thinks they are good and that's ok!)

Why thank you for commenting on my performance, of which you know nothing about

Yes, that's exactly what i said, skill has very little to do with gear...

Of course the better geared players would perform better, if everyone is equally skilled...where did i state otherwise?

No you can't, but for Titan, you can ask for experience, rather than relics. If someone knows the fight, and can dodge well, it doesn't matter that they don't have relic or DL.
If there's not many ppl on, you might as well take what you find, and see how it goes.

how did u know that you are having the highest DPS?

Parser. it shows how much damage all party members do. It's a bit unreliable when it comes to dots, and such, but it's good estimate.

[Staris]

Why thank you for commenting on my performance, of which you know nothing about

You just proved my point.
Doing more then 100% is impossible by definition... however people always seem to think it is?

Even if you were performing ideally, someone better geared performing ideally is going to get better results.
End of discussion.

[Radacci]

So what was your protip exactly? To group with undergeared people? Oooookay...

nope, it was to not assume, that someone with relic, is better than someone with GC wep.

It's funny today i was told i sucked because i refuse to get Darklight, even though in ak gear alone i was main healing Coil, The fact of the mater people think gear = skill, and with more idiots buying titan runs and relics than ever before...gear means absolutely nothing but people think otherwise....i don't see ARR lasting much longer due to these elitest's

Ya, in most cases DL is just a small upgrade from AK.
But no, all games have this attitude, ARR wont last any shorter amount of time, than any other game, for it.

This just in. You can be properly geared and still be competent at your job!

*Properly* is a loose definition. Is "Properly" geared for CM, Relic and DL?
Most of the damage/heals, come from Wep atk, not armors. By default, you probably have relic for coil, unless you go as an alt; the rest don't matter as much.
500 more hp wont matter when caduceus crit you 12k...and 10more damage wont matter, when it has...duno, a mil hp?

You just proved my point.
Doing more then 100% is impossible by definition... however people always seem to think it is?

Even if you were performing ideally, someone better geared performing ideally is going to get better results.
End of discussion.

Not really.
A BRD is always going to outperform a MNK, since BRD can attack from anywhere, and is not placement dependent, which is why my GC BRD outperformed a relic +1 MNK.
In case you doubt his performance, 2 other DPS in the party died, at Titan 30% HP, so me and the MNK and some other DPS, took down the last 30% without issues.
I don't know where you get the idea from, that i think i was performing over 100% you're just putting words in my mouth.
Ofc i know that if i had DL and Relic, i'd done much better, and if there was another relic BRD in party, he'd have done much better than me.
I'm just pointing out relic/DL shouldn't be a minimum requirement for anything before Coil...since you cant even get relic until AFTER Titan.
DL is a small min/max upgrade from AK; it's a bonus, not a requirement. Anyone who thinks it's a requirement for pre-Coil, is wrong.
On a sidenote, i was healing at Caduceus, with SCH, with ifrit book, and main tank, that had relic WHM at him, died before my less geared tank died...
And in case you want to argue ideal performance again, if everyone was performing ideally, we'd have won easily ofc, regardless of healer/DPS gear, since apparently Ifrit book, was enough to keep tank alive.