Fixing the Markets. As much our problem as SE's .

[Annah]

I like how people selling items for less than they cost to make, or less than what they'd go to a vendor for gets childish responses like



No, it's really not. Undercutting items into the ground, to the point where there's 0 profit, and in some cases a loss, is not "economy".

for me it's simple....I simply will not undercut my wares to the point where I will not make profit.

Now, I haven't had that happened yet because I usually stick to HQ upper level clothing but if it ever got to the point where someone wants to undercut me to the point where they are going to lose money...then let them. It's their loss. If it happens a lot for one item, then I know not to make that item again since it's well stocked to the point of losing money

On the other hand, I'm not going to raise my prices like a douche because mine is the only HQ item. That's a pet peeve of mine...if I see someone selling a woolen robe for 70,000 gil I will go and make three or four HQ woolen robes for 10K a piece. The one thing I cannot stand is price gouging. Yes, it is their right to do it since it's the economy...but I'm gonna go and make the same item and sell it as a reasonable price where I will make a profit and not rip someone off at the same time.

Plus, it will save me the headache of inadvertently selling to a gill buyer because anyone who spends 70K on a woolen robe tells me they don't care about their gil and they probably bought it.

[Ruminate]

No, it's really not. Undercutting items into the ground, to the point where there's 0 profit, and in some cases a loss, is not "economy".

You sell something for 0 profit due to logistics. Logistics is a part of economy.
Too much supply, limited space, not enough demand.

[Dorin]

Maybe you're trying to make profit off the wrong items, OP.

You know, those items with a huge offer but poor demand. You might want to try something different.

[Mythrella]

We undercut to keep the forums bustling with activity ♥

[Annah]

Maybe you're trying to make profit off the wrong items, OP.

You know, those items with a huge offer but poor demand. You might want to try something different.

It has to be that. Go to the market boards and see what's in demand. It's not that difficult. When you see a high demand item then make a couple...NOT a lot. Demands changes literally every 7 hours or so. You have to play the market and at the same time, remain fair to the buyers.

I have people on my server who will only buy from me because I am EXTREMLEY fair and I know what sells and I know what doesn't

the things that do not sell and if I have a lot of mats I will literally go out in the field and shout "free gathering gear...just ask." Now, if it's diremite or fleece that's one thing. But flax, cotton, and hemp, I will do these for free and with my own mats. It's amazing how you gain loyalty that way.

[TheRad]

This is funny.
If you think there is something wrong with undercutting then you are nothing but a cry baby. With all your elitism and whatnot, to further that BS by saying people sell things for too low or people should buy your goods for X amount no matter what is just plain ridiculous.
Its a "market board" not a "guaranteed to get what you want for it board" or a "lets farm a bunch of crap and make a whole bunch of money guaranteed by fleecing everyone else or those who don't want to level a craft."
Its almost unthinkable that it even has to be explained...that if someone makes something and sells it for more than people are willing to pay...and then someone else makes something and is willing to sell it for less....then that is somehow in someones juvenile mind wrong...

[TheRad]

You don't get to be level 50 "Swindler" or "Fleecer" forever. Those pieces of armor going for 5-9 mill on the are plain botarded, and if i had the time i would make the armor and sell it for less to dump it off as i always do, and i have a good amount of money.

"sometimes you eat the bar...and sometimes the bar eats you..that's life" You aren't entitled to any amount of money for making anything from your services, markets fluctuate...get over it.

Honestly if people put things at reasonable prices in the first place, gil would have more value and not be this ridiculous amounts for some things that will prolly be worth nothing a couple of patches from now.

[Haibel]

Okay, the only place you have a point is when newer players (or less informed) sell things for their 'NPC sale value' as opposed to their market value.

Other than that, everything you list falls into:

STUFF. Sorry bout the snip.

You deserve your own response. Really you enforce my points. I didn't touch on the HQ items and I did say Undercutting isn't horrible. Undercutting
yourself to the point of loss is bad though. but if your gonna sell on the market at NPC sell price, why take the lose when it's faster to sell to NPC and
create gil. Even the fact of wanting a fast sale. even pricing higher per item then a stack puts you far lower then the stack price. you'll sell just the same.
people do need to use their heads more then they seem to want to though.

[Shizato]

The game uses a "free market" system, like the majority of countries in real life use.

In a free market, everyone is free to sell anything they own for any price they want to.

If you, OP, would like to understand WHY the majority of humans PREFER to use this economic system, all you need do is research "supply and demand".

[Cobrauh]

I didn't know there was a market problem. I sell 10 things a day w/out even trying. 20 or 30 if I am in the mood. Its fairly simple. You list it and then it sells. If it doesn't. You lower the price until it does sell. If u go on the market board and try to gauge your price with that price. You are playing the suckers game. Everything in this game is relatively easy to farm. If you have an item that you are sour about with the price. Then stop farming/making that item and move on to something else. You can make the same amount of money selling something from a lvl 10 farm as you can from a lvl 50 farm. Also, something you can sell this week for a great price may not sell great next week. I find this to be the case. What happens is, people get hot on the price b/c supply is low and there is a demand. So people start to farm that item and eventually it gets saturated and prices begin to fall. Simple. Move on to the next in demand item.