Endgame Content To Easy

[Aggronaught]

But the fact is, MANY of MMORPG players are casuals, more so than 90% of the population, ignore the majority and catering for the 10% will financially hurt the game, but losing the 10% doesn't change much. I fully support SE if they choose to keep the game casual, in fact it is the only logical choice from a producers stand point. I think the content is right where it stands at the moment, its not super casual like LFR in WoW, but at the same time not complex like HMs in WoW either.

[ChickensEvil]

Titan although hard, is still basically a stupid memory rotation that is made really hard mostly due to LAG and gear check. I wish for more content that is more random thus allowing skill to shine more.

Titan has a very minimal gear check to it... I don't know what you are talking about here. People have blown this fight way out of proportion by saying you must be full DL or whatever, but that is simply not true. In fact it should be even easier to get "carried" in this place since others in your group likely have better gear anyway. But to be clear, skill is a huge part of this fight over gear.

For example, I have run with MANY Bards who just lack the proper understanding to do their rotation correctly, so you see relatively decent geared bards pulling 90 dps... there is no reason what so ever that if you have enough gear to survive the hits (IE comfortably into 3k health) that you shouldn't be able to hit 130 or more DPS. That fight should favor that class even more so since they are not impacted by movement. Coming from a BLM standpoint, it makes me very sad when I am constantly the top DPS on that fight (unless we have our DRG in there, he pulls really good DPS too).

Anyway, that fight at best requires full AK greens. But I would say even that is a stretch. You could prob get away with 1 or 2 DL and AK greens on your main slots, and whatever for your accessories. The biggest thing is getting a decent weapon, if you lack that, you will need to further make up for that in other slots.

And lag? what lag? if you have lag, then you are going to have trouble playing any MMO... Unless you are talking about the built in 300ms in the game, and if you have not gotten used to this yet, and you made it all the way to 50, then I don't know what to tell you.

You want a "casual game" then suggest that titan is "easy" because you just have to memorize the rotation and you want it harder? I am confused.

For the record I HATE RNG fights, and if you like RNG fights, go talk to the people trying to do Twintana, that is an RNG fight that everyone seems to be losing right now. Moving out of the stupid is the most basic MMO mechanic... they just give you a lot of stupid to move out of. I am fine with this.

[BlossomRose]

Titan is a gear check in that some people are so bad at it that they are attempting to cover up lack of skill by overgearing the encounter.

Hilariously, this means that groups which REQUIRE DL+ gear, are more likely to fail in my experience, because they are made of people who rather than handle the mechanics properly, are trying to overgear the mechanics, which... doesn't really work, for Titan. You can outgear the Tumults, sure, but you can't outgear the bombs and the pools, at least not with just DL gear.

[coffeerox]

But the fact is, MANY of MMORPG players are casuals, more so than 90% of the population, ignore the majority and catering for the 10% will financially hurt the game, but losing the 10% doesn't change much. I fully support SE if they choose to keep the game casual, in fact it is the only logical choice from a producers stand point. I think the content is right where it stands at the moment, its not super casual like LFR in WoW, but at the same time not complex like HMs in WoW either.

Exactly. Ghostcrawler tried to do this (making things more difficult) in Cataclysm and that was the beginning of the end for WoW. Some difficulty is fine, in fact the latter WOTLK dungeons required a bit of coordination. It shouldn't be overblown to the point to where the community isn't capable of doing it though (which is what Titan is atm)

LFR SEEMS casual but if you were to take relatively new players from here and put them in a LFR, they would have problems with LFR

[Sapulha]

Actually the end of WoW was that they bended to people complaining of difficulty, the dungeons in cata when they came out where fun as hell problem was casual players didn't want to gear up before jumping into it, so u had a bunch of people that standed on fire completely undergeared complaining that they couldn't progress in game. They complained about heroic Ghostcrawler tried to defend it by saying heroic wasn't for everybody(maybe a poor choice of words) and u had alot of noob rage(being a noob is not a bad thing, noobs raging over anything they can't do is probably the worst thing in any game ), that caused the game nerf and that was the end of WoW.

[coffeerox]

Actually the end of WoW was that they bended to people complaining of difficulty, the dungeons in cata when they came out where fun as hell problem was casual players didn't want to gear up before jumping into it

It's not that casual players didn't want to gear up to it. Many people had the gear to do it due to the previous dungeons however many lacked the skill set to actually do it. The problem with Cata Heroics was that it used the old style of dungeons (heavy CC, good positioning, focus target, etc) and players were not properly introduced to it. Cataclysm catered to veterans who were there before WOTLK but the people that were playing it started on WOTLK.

[coffeerox]

Nowadays, yes they are catering to a bigger part of the audience, however they have recently introduced a new concept called Flex Raiding where it scales based on how many people you have and the difficulty is higher than LFR so that in itself appeals to those people who wanted a greater challenge but just does not have a premier or standard raid group.

[gadenp]

Titan has a very minimal gear check to it...

Anyway, that fight at best requires full AK greens. But I would say even that is a stretch. You could prob get away with 1 or 2 DL and AK greens on your main slots, and whatever for your accessories. The biggest thing is getting a decent weapon, if you lack that, you will need to further make up for that in other slots.

Are you sure? For some reason, DF parties that I join are always near always unable to kill Titan's Heart... I cannot compensate for others dps numbers so now I am gearing my BLM up... FC usually no issue one... Also as a WHM, I require to compensate for people that cannot get out of the Titan AOEs due to lag and other issues.

In all seriousness, in a perfect party you do not need to be geared up. Parties in FC usually allow you to not be so geared up. But using DF, you would really want everything to be as geared as they can be, as you do not know their skill levels.

And lag? what lag? if you have lag, then you are going to have trouble playing any MMO...

Good for you if you have no lag. Just check the multiple posts on this forum screaming about said lag. The fact that most have gotten used to the lag of FF14 does not make it fun to compensate for. And seriously ... Compared to near any MMORPG, FF14 is one of the most lag sensitive game I have played in a lot time. I think is mostly due to their game design.

Let me give you an example of lag that I find in no other game: Once I escape any AOE, it has become habit for me to cast any spell even if I just cancel it so that the server will UPDATE my position so that it does not think I am still in the AOE zone. Because YES, I have escaped way out of 1 hit KO AOEs just to die because opps server forgot to update my position in a timely manner. It is not funny that I have made it a habit to straight cast any spell once I "escape" anything. That is not skill that is compensation.

You want a "casual game" then suggest that titan is "easy" because you just have to memorize the rotation and you want it harder? I am confused.

I find it funny that memorization = difficulty. No matter how hard the memorization is. Of cause any game encounter requires you to know what the boss can or cannot do. But I do not find static rotations a measure of skill. It is more fun for me if encounters have a random element. But I guess to each his own. Also no where do I say that Titan is easy. His rotations are punishing and increased alot by party inexperience, skill level of players, min. gear required (yes it is an issue in DF), lag and human error by all in party.

[jumpstreet]

How many people have gotten to fight a non-bugged Turn 5? Ya... OK. And yes, it's in the "accepted bugs" forum.

We've cleared it!

[Pibz]

I wonder why people play a Game and expect it only to be a mindless-button-mashing-instant-gratification deal, its called a game for f sake, even monopoly isnt mindless.
Anyway it's REALLY selfish to ask that every content caters to you, when most of the content does anyway, so you have 99% of the content and want to take the 1% from the ones who want any kind of challenge? Talk about spoiled there..

Edit: This is not aimed at anyone in particular, just the whole mindset in general.