[Dev1001] Strategy or Exploit

[Delmontyb]

I think they need to make the rewards for completing leves more compelling, by adding in SP bonus's for completing the leve.

Say for dunesfolk you get 10,000 sp for completing the leve, and perhaps more if it is linked, abanding the leve means you walk away from that bonus.

Sure people might still fail the leve, but gil isn't so much a trade off. Perhaps they can add additional bonus to the mix, but the real issue is people use leves for SP, that is the real reward, so hopefully SE will introduce new ways to get SP, or new ways to reward players for compelting leves. Perhaps give players the ability to get more leves, or have more leves open for selection rather then just three per camp per reset.

[Viridiana]

I think they need to make the rewards for completing leves more compelling, by adding in SP bonus's for completing the leve.

Say for dunesfolk you get 10,000 sp for completing the leve, and perhaps more if it is linked, abanding the leve means you walk away from that bonus.

Sure people might still fail the leve, but gil isn't so much a trade off. Perhaps they can add additional bonus to the mix, but the real issue is people use leves for SP, that is the real reward, so hopefully SE will introduce new ways to get SP, or new ways to reward players for compelting leves. Perhaps give players the ability to get more leves, or have more leves open for selection rather then just three per camp per reset.

Except that abandoning the leve doesn't mean walking away from that bonus, it means pushing the bonus off until the next time you have double Dunes. All you've really done is add more SP to the pool. You could try to implement it so that retried leves aren't able to get the bonus SP, but then you'd have people complaining about losing leves when they d/c again. I'm not entirely sure there's a way to win this. . .

[Rentahamster]

I think they need to make the rewards for completing leves more compelling, by adding in SP bonus's for completing the leve.

They already said that's what they're probably gonna do.

[VydarrTyr]

They already said that's what they're probably gonna do.

Did they? I'm not saying you're not trustworthy -- you definitely are -- but could you please provide a link to them saying that, if possible? I've seen this suggested several times, but don't remember seeing a moderator commenting on it. If it's out there, I'd love to see it, because I'd love to have an idea of what they're planning on this.

Thanks.

[Rentahamster]

Did they? I'm not saying you're not trustworthy -- you definitely are -- but could you please provide a link to them saying that, if possible? I've seen this suggested several times, but don't remember seeing a moderator commenting on it. If it's out there, I'd love to see it, because I'd love to have an idea of what they're planning on this.

Thanks.

皆さん、こんばんは。

引き続きフィードバックありがとうございます。頂いたコメントの中で気になった「特定のリーヴ以外人が集まらない」「リーヴ更新の際、3枚選ばれるのをすべての中から自由に選びたい」「リーヴリンクでペナルティなく修錬値が増加することもリーヴを放棄する原因の1つ」などのご意見を元に、再度担当者と話をしてきました。

現在の仕様では、8パターンのリーヴのうち、数パターンしか選べないものとなっています。これについて開発チーム内でもその是非について検討を行いました が、ギルドリーヴごとのバランスを調整出来ていない今、その部分を変更すると、今まで以上に同じリーヴしか選択されなくなるという状況になると予想されま す（その事を要望していた人にとっては改善といえるかもしれませんが…）

そのため、現在の優先度としては、リーヴ間のバランス調整を行うことを先行するものとしています。攻略ルートを含め、様々な面から調整を行っています。

また、調整の中で最も重要なものの1つ、修錬値の調整も行っています。これは前述の失敗を繰り返して同じリーヴをプレイすることへの対策でもありますが、 リーヴをクリアした際に修錬値をもらえるようにして、クリアすることの意味を高めるようにするというものです。この点を踏まえたバランス調整を現在行って います。

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

[Eldaena]

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

If this is so, then I also hope they allow us to choose what leves we want every reset and not just the randomized leves. The main reason I fail leves is so that I can continue to link with all my friends. It's too time consuming and not worth the sp for everyone to just grab all the leves they can and hope to get links. I'm sorry if some of you think this is unethical, but I'd like to have fun with my friends and not a headache from doing monotonous leves with little reward.

Edit: Even in the opening movie you see the adventurers looking through leves trying to decide which ones to do. Right now it's the same in the game. We look together and decide which ones we ALL want to do. If we could still do that and complete the leve, that would be excellent, but right now the game doesn't allow that.

[Rentahamster]

If this is so, then I also hope they allow us to choose what leves we want every reset and not just the randomized leves. The main reason I fail leves is so that I can continue to link with all my friends. It's too time consuming and not worth the sp for everyone to just grab all the leves they can and hope to get links. I'm sorry if some of you think this is unethical, but I'd like to have fun with my friends and not a headache from doing monotonous leves with little reward.

Edit: Even in the opening movie you see the adventurers looking through leves trying to decide which ones to do. Right now it's the same in the game. We look together and decide which ones we ALL want to do. If we could still do that and complete the leve, that would be excellent, but right now the game doesn't allow that.

Yep. If they just were to let people choose whatever leves they want, then there would be no reason at all to fail them.

I just hope that those guys over at SE realize this. Any possible "abuse" as a result of this change can be easily balanced.