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    Yukio Rykhas
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    Crafters can use a "save" skill when luck trumps skills...

    Even the best crafters in the game sometimes get a little bad luck that throws off the craft. When Steady Hand (20%) + Hasty Touch (50%) fails 4 times in a row, it really comes down to bad luck (0.3 x 0.3 x 0.3 x 0.3 = 0.0081) which is not even 1% chance but it happens and it sucks. Perhaps crafters should get a skill that takes no durability but will turn the condition to Excellent so they have a chance to "save" the quality on their craft. It's just disheartening to see touches fail 4 times in a row on an expensive craft.
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    sh2
    /thread
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    Kyronex Zero
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade View Post
    sh2
    /thread
    Here's how my SH2 + HT (80%) went a couple days ago. Ended up getting NQ both times on a L50 80 durability item. Oh and "Good" or "Excellent" never procced.

    First Synth:
    IQ
    SH2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    SH2
    HT (Success)
    MM2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Success)
    HT (Failed)
    ...

    Second Synth:
    IQ
    SH2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    SH2
    HT (Success)
    MM2
    HT (Success)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    ...

    I've also gotten NQ on 98% HQ chance numerous times but HQed with 1%.
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    Last edited by Kyronex; 10-30-2013 at 01:52 AM.

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    Yoyowazu Chachawazu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyronex View Post
    Here's how my SH2 + HT (80%) went a couple days ago. Ended up getting NQ both times on a L50 80 durability item. Oh and "Good" or "Excellent" never procced.

    First Synth:
    IQ
    SH2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    SH2
    HT (Success)
    MM2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Success)
    HT (Failed)
    ...

    Second Synth:
    IQ
    SH2
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    SH2
    HT (Success)
    MM2
    HT (Success)
    HT (Failed)
    HT (Failed)
    ...
    It's amazing how the odds of this happening are very rare but it happens , it's why I hate using Hasty Touch.. My highest level of DoH is 35 so I haven't had the pleasure of having to use it much but when I do it tends to fail more often than not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukio View Post
    Even the best crafters in the game sometimes get a little bad luck that throws off the craft. When Steady Hand (20%) + Hasty Touch (50%) fails 4 times in a row, it really comes down to bad luck (0.3 x 0.3 x 0.3 x 0.3 = 0.0081) which is not even 1% chance but it happens and it sucks. Perhaps crafters should get a skill that takes no durability but will turn the condition to Excellent so they have a chance to "save" the quality on their craft. It's just disheartening to see touches fail 4 times in a row on an expensive craft.
    You've been horribly corrupted by the plethora of MMOs that treat crafting like a collection quest.

    Chance to fail is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swag View Post
    You've been horribly corrupted by the plethora of MMOs that treat crafting like a collection quest.

    Chance to fail is a good thing.
    I am not debating whether or not I should have a chance to fail. I like having those odds of failing. What I proposed is very much luck dependent because even if I have an excellent condition, my next touch can still fail. But at least it's a chance of redemption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukio View Post
    I am not debating whether or not I should have a chance to fail. I like having those odds of failing. What I proposed is very much luck dependent because even if I have an excellent condition, my next touch can still fail. But at least it's a chance of redemption.
    "My next touch can still fail"? Not if you have an ounce of intelligence, it won't. It is easy to set up a touch with 100% chance of success, if that's what you need.
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    Hasty isn't the only touch you have. Steady Hands + Standard = 100% success. You just gotta put some clothes on with lots of CP and manage your points better. They give you lots of time to develop without the skill for a reason. You should be relying on skills that give 90-100% success rates. Personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruinedmirage View Post
    Hasty isn't the only touch you have. Steady Hands + Standard = 100% success. You just gotta put some clothes on with lots of CP and manage your points better. They give you lots of time to develop without the skill for a reason. You should be relying on skills that give 90-100% success rates. Personal opinion.
    Level 50 HQ AF gear all melded and overmelded yields 342 CP. With Inner Quiet costing 18 and Steady Hand costing 44 (2x 22) = 62 you are left with 280 CP before regen. Remember Master Mend II costs 160, manipulation costs 88. Explain to me how you can HQ a 2 star item with Standard Touch. Please kindly enlighten us and walk us through step by step what abilities you use and the amount of CP you have remaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukio View Post
    Level 50 HQ AF gear all melded and overmelded yields 342 CP. With Inner Quiet costing 18 and Steady Hand costing 44 (2x 22) = 62 you are left with 280 CP before regen. Remember Master Mend II costs 160, manipulation costs 88. Explain to me how you can HQ a 2 star item with Standard Touch. Please kindly enlighten us and walk us through step by step what abilities you use and the amount of CP you have remaining.
    wat? i have 342 cp and am certainly not overmelded or maxed on CP. You is wrong.

    Using steady hand is a fail. Steady hand 2, then come back and join the big kid discussion.
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