How difficult is it to run dungeons as classes, not jobs?

[SukoshiSeppen]

The class list of which could in theory be better off as a class compared to job is limited to I would think warrior possibly and thm. Reason thm works is our rotation doesnt change at all. Dont have lancer to 34 myself but the utility of certain cross classes make thm viable imo.

[BlossomRose]

Snip.

Nope nope nope a thousand times no for Marauder/Warrior.

MRD/WAR: You gain your big tanking stance the moment you swap. You should never want to be a MRD again.
GLD/PAL: You can run as a GLD if you have lots of other classes leveled, but not for very long. Swap when you get Shield Oath.
THM/BLM: You can run as a THM until your 40's, mostly because using CNJ spells can make up for having slightly lower DPS.
CNJ/WHM: Your WHM spells are too useful to give up.
ACN/SMN: Your SMN pets are too awesome to give up.
ACN/SCH: Your SCH pet is too adorable to give up.
ARC/BRD: Like with THM you can afford to be an ARC instead of a BRD until your 40's, after which point your utility spells are too good.
LNC/DRG: WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE JUMP?!
PUG/MNK: MNK skills are pretty damn good and like DRG it would just be a bad idea.

[Mysteltain]

Nope nope nope a thousand times no for Marauder/Warrior.

Agreed on all counts. Just forgetting to pop Defiance in Brayflox--which I, embarrassingly, do often--is incredibly noticeable. On the other hand, I see my DPS shoot up quite a bit, but I'd rather not cause the group to wipe for a bit of extra damage, haha!

I think it'd be neat to see a group of only classes run something like CM or Praetorium, though. After all, it could be that the additional utility granted to each member due to cross-class skills makes up for their overall lower stats. Maybe I'll see if I can get the FC I'm in to do that, just for kicks, heh. If nothing else, it'd be a fun experiment.

[BlossomRose]

Agreed on all counts. Just forgetting to pop Defiance in Brayflox--which I, embarrassingly, do often--is incredibly noticeable. On the other hand, I see my DPS shoot up quite a bit, but I'd rather not cause the group to wipe for a bit of extra damage, haha!

I think it'd be neat to see a group of only classes run something like CM or Praetorium, though. After all, it could be that the additional utility granted to each member due to cross-class skills makes up for their overall lower stats. Maybe I'll see if I can get the FC I'm in to do that, just for kicks, heh. If nothing else, it'd be a fun experiment.

CM and Prae are sufficiently trivial that, a full party of people in AK/DL gear with their Garuda or Titan weapons (can't Relic, they're job-bound) will absolutely wreck them even using classes instead of jobs.

I'd be more impressed if they managed, say. Turn 1 of BC.

[Mysteltain]

CM and Prae are sufficiently trivial that, a full party of people in AK/DL gear with their Garuda or Titan weapons (can't Relic, they're job-bound) will absolutely wreck them even using classes instead of jobs.

I'd be more impressed if they managed, say. Turn 1 of BC.

Well, if they're in sufficiently well-melded, HQ 2* gear with HQ level-70 crafted weapon (I say this just because I prefer the look of those weapons over the Primal's, heh), I think it's feasible. Hard as hell, sure, but feasible. Then again, my experience only goes up to HM Titan, so who knows. If I run Coil later this week my opinion may change, but until then I can only speculate.

And I know we're getting pretty theoretical, but I just love thinking about this kind of stuff--the unconventional ways of going about playing a game. Like in DMC3, hardly anyone I talked to used Nevan (the guitar weapon), but under the proper circumstances it makes you damn near untouchable while looking cool as hell. Or when I played Ragnarok Online, people never bothered with the Ninja class outside of spamming this one ice spell it had. But I went for its stealth abilities and found them pretty damn good, if requiring good gear and skill. I just try to not write these sort of things off until I try them--the hard part is getting others to play along =P

[Vodomir]

Nope nope nope a thousand times no for Marauder/Warrior.

MRD/WAR: You gain your big tanking stance the moment you swap. You should never want to be a MRD again.

Unless you want to assume a DPS role. MRD gets access to more DPS cooldowns, so it might be worth the switch up until you get your relic and/or AF2 pieces, as those are WAR exclusive (relic and AF2 gear provide much more of a DPS boost than any cross-class skills possibly could; so MRD is not an option anymore, once you get access to that kind of gear)

[BlossomRose]

Unless you want to assume a DPS role. MRD gets access to more DPS cooldowns, so it might be worth the switch up until you get your relic and/or AF2 pieces, as those are WAR exclusive (relic and AF2 gear provide much more of a DPS boost than any cross-class skills possibly could; so MRD is not an option anymore, once you get access to that kind of gear)

If you queue in the DF to DPS as a MRD/WAR you're the worst player in existence because you're screwing your group over.

Do whatever you want with your FC/etc, but talking in terms of THE DUNGEON ROLES MEANT FOR YOU, you should never switch out of WAR.

[Ishmachiah]

If you queue in the DF to DPS as a MRD/WAR.

Never knew that was possible. Thought you were locked into your role and couldn't swap when trying to use duty finder.

[BlossomRose]

Never knew that was possible. Thought you were locked into your role and couldn't swap when trying to use duty finder.

Yes, that's my point.

If you queue to DF as a MRD/WAR and then you tell them you're there to DPS, your group has no tank.

AKA gg you are a really awful player.