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    Hawklaser's Avatar
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    Kyterra Lianleaf
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by zenmetsu View Post
    The only decisions made in haste are people that just blindly charge the same rate as everyone else. Oh wait, undercutting by 1gil is OK, I forgot. Oh wait, someone else came along and undercut by another 1gil... then another... and another... SHIT, now the market price is 5 gil less than what you originally listed it for, better go re-list it. 2 hours have passed, you go to check the market, the price is 10gil lower now because of people dropping the price by 1gil at a time. Hmm... see a trend? THE PRICE IS TOO DAMNED HIGH.

    You aren't getting it. If people are trying to sell an item for 20k gil, and I can be happy with 10k, why would I sell it for 20k? We only have 20 slots on our retainers after all. So while you are trying to sell 5-6 items for 20k gil, i'm selling 20 of them 10k each. By time my stuff sells, i've made/gathered more and replenish my retainer with new stock. Fast forward 5 hours, I've emptied my retainer 3 times, sold 60*20k = 1,200k gil, and you've sold zero. I go off and do something else or log out, the price creeps back up in the absence of my supply and maybe, just maybe, you manage to sell a few before I log in and start at it again.

    I *have* driven you, the competition, out of the market. You refuse to lower your price because selling for my price is "not worth it" in your eyes. In actuality, trying to sell for "your price" is what is "not worth it".

    34,817,220... it represents an amount of something that I have, that you likely would love to have. If the corresponding number for your character is greater than this, then congratulations. If it is lower than this, then you probably should not be telling me about economics within this game. I went there... at great peril of looking like a douche, but sometimes people need a reality check.
    First off, 35 million gil on a Legacy server is no impressive feat, considering plenty of people on Legacy servers started out XIV:ARR with 10M in gil not to mention other items. Second off, it does not take a large amount of gil to get how economics works, more often than not instead of making a massive bankroll of gil, I get what I need then continue doing other things.

    Only time I would complain about an item being dropped by 1 gil increments is if said item was only worth 10-20gil to begin with, and at that point may as well just start vendoring it unless selling 40 stacks in the time it takes to get 40 more. People have not driven me out of the markets I choose to participate in, I actually do very well in the markets I am in, I just know better than to screw up an off market I may need to return to in the future. I take a very patient approach to getting to the correct market price as there is no way to know that without participating in the market for a while. If an item is not selling, I will adjust the price down provided the market is not currently being crashed, and if I can't keep them in stock I adjust upwards slowly. There is usually very little reason to drop a price of something by over 50% unless it has not sold in over a week or two outside of impatience.

    I also don't blindly charge the same as other people, I use the market history a lot. It's actually how I make most of the gil I do when I need it. After all I'd rather waste a little time learning a market then blindly picking what to sell.

    As to you being happy selling at half price, you could likely have even more gil if you would have sold closer to what the market price was. I would not be surprised if most of the people buying your half price stuff is turning around and reselling it, all you did was save them time unless you flood the market to the point your price sticks.

    Quote Originally Posted by zenmetsu View Post
    Ding! You are unwilling to do the work that I will do for the pay that I am willing to accept. As long as you are still trying to sell the same product as I, you are a threat. You will either undercut me, or list at the same price and possibly take my sales. In the case of crafting, you will be buying up the materials that I need, and thus, increasing the cost of those materials. In the case of mob drops, like fleece/hides/meat you are competing for kills. It isn't always about undercutting.
    It is actually really easy to spot attempts like that, and those I don't mind. As have a few spots planning to do that soon as the free transfers are over. I actually do a lot of things much cheaper than MB, but I don't use the MB for those in the interest of preserving multiple sources of income.
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    Last edited by Hawklaser; 10-15-2013 at 12:40 AM.