I feel bad for Tanaka. (Tanaka appreciation thread)

[SuzakuCMX]

QQ moar please!

And yes Suz, let's trade all our QQers for people who don't delude themselves into thinking this game ever had a chance to succeed under Tanaka.

I'm not saying it didn't have a chance, I'm saying he released it in shambles and that he was going to rework the same things Yoshida-P is reworking right now.

[darkstarpoet1]

QQ moar please!

And yes Suz, let's trade all our QQers for people who don't delude themselves into thinking this game ever had a chance to succeed under Tanaka.

would you explain where i QQ'd at all by stating i never said i wanted this game to be like xi? the way the member base is going you are trading active players for inactive players.

edit: btw suz this is exactly what i was talking about was the type of person that came into an appreciation thread. i was not trying to state you in particular, but you can only take so many of these direct insults before you respond to them.

[SuzakuCMX]

would you explain where i QQ'd at all by stating i never said i wanted this game to be like xi? the way the member base is going you are trading active players for inactive players.

edit: btw suz this is exactly what i was talking about was the type of person that came into an appreciation thread. i was not trying to state you in particular, but you can only take so many of these direct insults before you respond to them.

I never insulted you nor Tanaka directly, I simply said the game he released was crap and that it was indeed his fault that it was such. Apparently you have ignored any source somebody has brought in proving so and you have brought in no sources of your own to support your refusals. Every post of yours is nearly baseless speculation and it's very tired reading your posts about how much you love Tanaka's game and how small of a chance you are willing to give Yoshida-P, who, according to you, is turning this into WoW, although none of the implemented changes have been moving us towards WoW and we haven't seen enough of the future changes to say that they are going to turn the game into WoW.

Now please change topic or stop posting, as the thread is being derailed further.

[darkstarpoet1]

i can appreciate the vision of where the game was intended to wind up, but in the same mind think it was in horrid shape upon release.

that shows in one of my earlier posts i am not in love with tanaka nor the game as it was released. all i did was take up from the original developer in saying i wish the vision would have been completed. i was not the one that turned this into a bash tanaka thread to derail it and neither did you. that is why i apologized to you in the above post and stated i was not talking about you specifically, but the bashers in general.

[Kailok]

I honestly believe Tanaka had a good initial vision, but according to a video that was previously linked by another user on the forums, Tanaka spent too much time on FFXIV's graphics engine, expecting the new engine's high-end graphics to make people flock to it (which we did) and support the game, but didn't end up give the world it's own style.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-vs-Aesthetics

I literally can't think of anything in the game that makes me say "Oh, hell yeah, that's Final Fantasy 14 right there." (Besides Dodo's perhaps..and Dodo's aren't particularly a style). He tried too hard to be different, even if it was ambitious, and it turned out to be a flop. Players didn't influence the game for 5 years, Tanaka did. Too much time on a graphics engine instead of perfecting the gameplay first and then making the touches on the engine.

Also, I think everyone needs to stop giving Yoshi-P crap until 1.18 releases. EVERYONE knows how hard they are working. It's kind of ridiculous that this needs to be said for the 100th time: They're reworking the entire system. That'll take some time and they STILL added stuff to help keep us entertained on the side until we got the real juicy stuff.

I'll thank Tanaka for his initial vision, and it took a lot of guts to look over his ego and step-down, taking full responsibility. If the management actually forced him to, I'm sure he would have quit. Gotta remember the Japanese have a way bigger sense of honor than Westerners do. I don't mind him collaborating with Yoshi-P in order to enhance the final product of the game, but I still think Yoshi-P needs to be given the proper time and respect before people start bashing his work thus far.

[Vesperia]

Square Enix blames Tanaka for their own ineptitude.

You let them blame Tanaka. You let them continue their ineptitude.

[Zenaku]

I never insulted you nor Tanaka directly, I simply said the game he released was crap and that it was indeed his fault that it was such. Apparently you have ignored any source somebody has brought in proving so and you have brought in no sources of your own to support your refusals. Every post of yours is nearly baseless speculation and it's very tired reading your posts about how much you love Tanaka's game and how small of a chance you are willing to give Yoshida-P, who, according to you, is turning this into WoW, although none of the implemented changes have been moving us towards WoW and we haven't seen enough of the future changes to say that they are going to turn the game into WoW.

Now please change topic or stop posting, as the thread is being derailed further.

so wait you don't think dungeon/raid is wow at all? yoshi said himself it would be a lot like them also -.- i bet they not even going to change it much.

[Vesperia]

so wait you don't think dungeon/raid is wow at all? yoshi said himself it would be a lot like them also -.- i bet they not even going to change it much.

LOL, yoshi come up with original ideas? I'd like to see that! Lol.

[Rane]

It seems to me that a lot of stuff that was "difficult" (read: impossible) under Tanaka suddenly became realistic when Yoshida took the reins. Case in point: this forum. I remember Tanaka saying that they wouldn't be instituting official forums because the developers speak Japanese whereas many of the players do not. It just wouldn't work... But turn the game over to Yoshida, and here we are. Apparently they have these people called "translators" who can post messages from the development staff in English, French, and German. Voilà! Official forum.

I've enjoyed several games Tanaka has worked on, including FFIII and FFXI. But I think Yoshida has a good grasp of what FFXIV and its community need, and he makes things happen. The fact that we're posting on an official site with community representatives that read what we say speaks to that.

[SuzakuCMX]

so wait you don't think dungeon/raid is wow at all? yoshi said himself it would be a lot like them also -.- i bet they not even going to change it much.

He said they would be more Western, not more WoW. There were/are Western MMOs other than WoW, you know.