Amdapor Keep Issue

[dragonflyseksparade]

White Mage should probably...

People who've clearly never played white mage should probably not make suggestions on how to play the job. Medica II is a good idea, yes. But whms do not dps after bees spawn. Dps before first KB, yes. DPS before 2nd KB, yes. But once bees spawn there's no more dps. It is keeping medica 2 up, keeping regen up on everyone, esuna the derps/lazymelee, and Cure I/II whichever dps has aggro on the bee that isn't being tanked.

[Lemon8or]

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yeah we don't bother with bees either, but i have to wonder can setup with 2 monks/lancers in AF + lets say ifrit weaps kill the wall ?
i mean they have to attack from flanks/back to actually do dps right ?

Uhm, we can still do dps from flank. Monks don't get extra dps from Bootshine or True Strike but the Flank moves are far more than enough. I did it in full AF + Ifrit weapon + non HQ (quested item) accessories. No reason you shouldn't be able to.

[LilSmalls]

No excuse for not being able to get through.

As a test me and 3 other FC mates did a AK run. We used only White Gears and GC Gears (Level 50). No DL, AF, AF+1, Relics.

We cleared the dungeon in 40mins. No Wipes.

It's much more beneficial to know the mechanics than to have good gear. Having good gear and knowing the mechanics will make the run faster.

[Subucnimorning]

I had a group where we 3 manned it easily (other dps somehow fell off on engage). I am overgeared for it but point being if it can be done with 1 dps, there is no excuse for failing the dps check.

[Roomba]

The TC and people like him are what's wrong with modern games and potentially what might be the end of this game for me if it goes down this path in the future. Dude, Amdapor Keep is an insanely easy dungeon and these so-called "experienced players" you've run it with must be wearing level 30-40 white gear if they can't down the Demon Wall. Either that, or they suck really hard at learning basic boss mechanics. Not trying to be an elitist here, but what the hell is the point of playing the game if you don't want to be challenged in any possible way? I'm cool with people being able to grind to 50 essentially on autopilot, but AK is very very simple as it is and requires MAYBE 3-4 runs through Wanderer's Palace and a quick Ifrit fight. That, and having some basic maneuverability skills.

[Sinth]

Demon wall is a DPS check. You shouldn't be facing it wearing artifact gear and white accessories. Just because content is accessible doesn't mean that you should easily clear it the moment you gain access to it.

[Ash_Smokespear]

I can confirm it's very doable with two melee. Ran it with a monk and myself (dragoon). It was the monk's first time (FC group) there and he had some pretty crappy weapons. I did have some DL gear and Ifrit weapon. Monk fell down when repel hit after bees spawned and we still got it done, although it was close . As mentioned you can do flanking attacks.

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yeah we don't bother with bees either, but i have to wonder can setup with 2 monks/lancers in AF + lets say ifrit weaps kill the wall ?
i mean they have to attack from flanks/back to actually do dps right ?

[Duuude007]

Plainly put, if your DPS is high enough to get Demon Wall to half health by the time the gnats spawn (after 2nd repel), it is safe to say you can defeat it while ignoring the gnats, possibly even not using LB.

I've even been in groups that can outright kill the wall BEFORE the 2nd repel.

Use the above as a measure of whether your team's rotations are ready.

also:

• Is your tank not using sword oath to help dps?
• Are people gimping themselves by not avoiding liquify?
• Are people falling off the edges?
• Are you not coordinating LB and how the gnats will be crowd-controlled?

[MBTL90]

I, and the people who I run keep with are extremely geared (relic, multiple pieces of myth/crafted gear). That being said, we are hugely disapointed if we don't kill the wall before the bees spawn. It isn't really even a dps check, more of a "do you know proper rotations for your class check", because the dps requirement is very low.

[Vektrat]

I, and the people who I run keep with are extremely geared (relic, multiple pieces of myth/crafted gear). That being said, we are hugely disapointed if we don't kill the wall before the bees spawn. It isn't really even a dps check, more of a "do you know proper rotations for your class check", because the dps requirement is very low.

That is untrue, gear affects this game by a lot. When I first arrived the Demon Wall in full AF with my friends it was a heavy DPS check, we almost ran out of space by the end of the fight, and used the LB (if up) on one of the bees.

Now with full DL, relic+1, and some AF2, we kill the wall before the 2nd set of areas / repel happens. I've been doing the same rotations now and before, and I've been using DPS parsers too.

You all can give tips to people who is new in AK (in terms of gear), but by no means you should tell them "weird, we do it like that and DPS is fine". The Demon Wall is a challenge if you're recently entering AK with poor gear and an inexperienced group, even if they know their class.