Tank mentality.

[RapBreon]

Zikh I can somewhat relate with but on a different level, idiots telling me what to do are hilarious.

I've unfortunately been tanking for probably A LOT longer than most of you, after years and years of essentially being the epicentre of pug responsibility, my limit for shit is a lot lower than back when I was a perky, bushy-tailed, fresh tank. Those days I would tolerate almost anything and just laugh.

Give it 8+ years of this shit and if you can maintain your self-righteous holier-than-thou attitude, I'll pat you on the back, despite how much of a douche I think you are :P

I would like to see what people think is acceptable behaviour via a short example though;

If someone wipes the group via pulling an extra pack and the I respond with; "If I didn't pull something, then that means you shouldn't pull it either and I KNOW who did it, I'm watching, don't think I'm not." Names won't be mentioned unless they do it again, and if they apologise I'll apologise for being so blunt back.

Does this border on too intense for most of you? Or acceptable? I'm curious, because people seem to have very different ideas of what is acceptable and what isn't. I personally find that to be a completely fair response to wasting 5 minutes of my life.

P.S DPS who don't have the initiative to use the limit break with-out me spamming auto-translate (LIMIT BREAK!) into the chat fifty times piss me off so much. ONE responsibility and they can't manage it.

[Kalec]

Tank mentality of any tank worthy of the title: Im the leader. I know what I'm doing, I know what everyone else needs to do, so that in the [Often occuring] case that they dont, I can tell them. I want to get through this dungeon as quickly as possible without being overly reckless.

Problem?
-Ok, he could be new. Kindly explain what needs to be done so it dosnt happen again.
-Alright, This guy isn't too bright, Lets try this again. Use small words.
-K, getting frustrated here. Either this guy's tree dosnt go all the way to the top branch, or Hes just blatantly causing trouble. Either way, something needs to change here. Warn him once more, be blunt.
-Ragequit, possibly telling him what you really think of him.
-Give your FC a brief summary of recent events, hear their stories, remember your not the only one this happens to, take a short break involving either hot chocolate or kool-aid, depending on the weather, because your classy like that, and reque.

[CyanDvai]

my 2 cents.
Being a tank i'm very patient with people and willing to teach them how to do things. I've seen more healers drop group because 1 person doesn't do something right than dps.
Patience is not infinite though and this "elitist" mentality that is taking grip on some of these "endgame" players is really annoying. Everyone was a noob at every dungeon at one time, instead of b!tching about how bad people are, teach them to be better. Really annoyed with the "Relic/Relic+1 Only CM" groups popping up. Get over yourself, it's a f*cking story instance, you're properly geared if you have full AF and all lvl 49/50 accessories.

[PessimiStick]

I call out failures as soon as they happen. This tends to be as the tank most of the time, since that's what I play most, but I'll do it as any role. I even call out my own mistakes if I happen to make them -- I'm an equal opportunity shamer. The issue is that most people are just god-awful bad at games, and can't seem to accept blame. Look, I watched you f it up, accept responsibility for the wipe and stop failing. I had an Ifrit HM group last night that even managed to chain fails together. Offtank was terrible at stunning, so we didn't have LB3 going into nails, and then the SMN was an idiot and used LB2 instead of waiting 20 seconds to get level 3. It's things that like that which reduce my tolerance to zero. Two people had to completely fail at their job in order for us to wipe to an easy fight, and yet it still happened. Repeat that a thousand times over across many games, and you'll get people who appear to be dicks.

[Bhaelor]

Very much agree with Cyan above. Relic+1 CM groups for an instance that has absolutely NO gear check requirement? The speed run/tome farming mechanic that this game is thriving on right now is doing far more harm than good from a community standpoint, coupled with the anonymity of the random duty finder. Just stating it was my first time in AK caused a DPS to immediately drop, from a run that eventually completed with only 1 death (mine), and in what I thought was a pretty timely fashion. It's stuff like that that makes learning such a terrifying experience for people, and it really just shouldn't be. Taking time to help someone else with mechanics just improves the community as a while.

But I digress. I don't think bad attitude is unique to any role really. Probably have just had a bad string of tanks.

[Omagana]

Being the tank, I don't experience playing with them much. But I find d-bags in every role.

There is an element of over expectation with tanking, people often expect you to be perfect all the time. Hold perfect hate, interrupt abilities, mark targets, position mobs, pull faster, lead the way and always know where you're going even if it's your first time there. Just to name a few.

Meanwhile dps use limit breaks and follow marks...you'd hope. What happens when the tank doesn't pay attention and maintain rotation? They lose hate and people complain. What happens when dps don't pay attention and don't do a proper rotation? Nothing, at least not until you reach a boss where it becomes noticeable. Similar case for healers. I've done several AK runs where simple trash almost killed me because the healer was being lazy. I don't complain at them.

A bard moaned that I missed an interrupt on one of the mobs that summons an add during AK. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't bard have a silence ability? I never see them using it to help. Likewise a sleep spell would interrupt it or a lancers leg sweep. Again, I don't complain at them.

My experience of tanking in this game is doing a lot of the work with often very little appreciation. That is to say I don't expect praise for being good, but I don't expect abuse for the times that I'm not perfect.

I suppose that was a bit of a rant!

[dark494]

...I even call out my own mistakes if I happen to make them -- I'm an equal opportunity shamer. I had an Ifrit HM group last night that even managed to chain fails together. Offtank was terrible at stunning, so we didn't have LB3 going into nails, and then the SMN was an idiot and used LB2 instead of waiting 20 seconds to get level 3. It's things that like that which reduce my tolerance to zero. Two people had to completely fail at their job in order for us to wipe to an easy fight, and yet it still happened. Repeat that a thousand times over across many games, and you'll get people who appear to be dicks.

It's why I learned to solo-tank HM Ifrit. An experienced paladin can tank and stun no problem. Less points of failures to fix.

If it isnt marked #1, you pull aggro, you tank it. I give one warning the first time.

Yep, they deserve to die if this is the case and aren't AOE'ing

[PessimiStick]

It's why I learned to solo-tank HM Ifrit. An experienced paladin can tank and stun no problem. Less points of failures to fix.

Yep, I always solo-tank when I'm helping people. Unfortunately I was queueing as BRD so I could roll need on the bow. I do enjoy when tanks that fail are like "it's really hard, I bet you couldn't do it!". Not only can I do it, but I can do it while tanking, and quite easily.

[Sipherous]

As a Tank Player myself, I feel that I dictate the way a fight is suppose to work out to minimize the potential DMG of mobs on other players. I am by no means mean about anything I dounless you fail miserably at your Job. I Mark all my targets and I make sure that I can hold everything off while DPS does their job. As a Tank you should have the right to call out what needs to be done because you basically control most fights (obvious exceptions are Titan as that's reliant on DPS and Healers not dying as Tank ahs it easiest in there and maybe Demon wall and 2nd boss from WP). If a member of my party wants to ignore my marks and kill mobs by himself or just push my buttons, he's gonna have a bad time.

[Rhuarc]

I find myself following the same pattern of "I'll give you several chances, but if you're an idiot, I will flip". I think its just important that we don't queue up for the next dungeon without "resetting" our mindset. I think a lot of tanks, may be hitting their tolerance limit, and then queuing up for the next dungeon, not having let themselves cooldown. Some of us, can go from dungeon to dungeon dealing with stupid the "L2P u suck tank" idiots; but others need to be honest with themselves, and responsibly say "maybe I should take a break before the next run".

This goes not only for tanks, but anyone in ANY role. There are people in groups in an Online community that are just dumb, and can effect everybody in the group.