Tank mentality.

[Kimikryo]

As a Tank in FFXI, WoW and now also ARR I can tell you several reasons why a Tank might appear like a d-bag.

Something goes wrong leading to a wipe, its the tanks fault.
The Ranger/Hunter/Archer dies, its the tanks fault.
The BLM/Warlock/any DPS Magic Class in ARR dies, its the tanks faul.
Someone runs somewhere alone gets beaten to a pulp in a second, its the tanks fault.
Someone pulls a group of enemies and enganges without the tank to produce a BIT of hate and dies, its the tanks fault.
Someone dies because the healer is AFK, its the tanks fault.

So no matter why and who messed up, a lot of people point at the tank. Now try and stay friendly throught all those times. Why tanks act like they are the boss, lets face it, most of the time they are with the healer on same level of command. You don't like the attitude of Tanks you play with? Become a Tank yourself, you don't want to? Now WHY is that?

[Ervin]

Just some bad apples, thats all. Nothing special that you get d-bag tanks, d-bags come in all shapes and languages just as often.

People get anal and rude in mindnumbingly easy places like CM even, no matter what class it is, even when things move on at a nice pace. I find it very silly when people like ken00 praise the JP community and shoot down the english community as a whole. If you ken00 said american I would agree slightly more with you, since their competative mentality is slightly more extreme than european. Even everyday life is a competition to many americans, towards their neighbors, co-workers etc. Who earns the most, who has the highest education or the sexiest wife/gf etc etc.

[Asdamine]

It's is not really a tank menatlity thing. It's just the English culture that people are arseholes.

Or just people bringing real life Sh*ts into the game.

[Ervin]

Honestly, I've bumped into more self righteous pricks that arent tanks. DPSer can be the worst d-bags at times, often voicing their opinion about the "bad tank".

They dont understand that this isnt your fluffy easy happy-go-lucky-braindead tank game like WoW and every other WoW type trinity MMO. You dont have a instant i-win taunt button in this game, if you dont let the tank get to build aggro before opening up, then the risk is that the tank will have a hard time getting aggro back. Provoke, flash and all other enmity skills do just that, build enmity, they wont force the target to attack you for x-seconds so you can build hate, or fill the enmity meter to 100%.

I've seen plenty of bad dps just stand there and blast blast blast after the tank has lost aggro due to premature dpsing. Then the dps throws a fit.

I'm a mellow tank, but I wont take shit from some numbnut dps that cant handle his enmity and blaming me.

[Truedragon]

Let me put it this way. Early game, and I am talking about August and early September, the bad attitude comes from tanks. This is because these pricks thought that they owned the game or something because of their privilegded position of getting into dungeons everytime.

Now in October, the bad attitude is mostly end game. The one thing that is incredibly bad for this game, is the massive amount of toxidity in end game situations. Anything that needs a level 50 done, you won't believe the high level of immaturity, douchebaggery, idiocy, snot monkeyness, trollish behaviour, teenage arrogance that some people exhibit. And it is not just tanks either. It could come from literally any job. The end game for ff14 is really really toxic.

You can get shit over literally nothing.

[Ragnar_Dragonfyre]

...you won't believe the high level of immaturity, douchebaggery, idiocy, snot monkeyness, trollish behaviour, teenage arrogance that some people exhibit. And it is not just tanks either. It could come from literally any job. The end game for ff14 is really really toxic.

You can get shit over literally nothing.

People thrive off of negativity and the internet is a haven for it. Look up "negativity bias". Recognize it for what it is and take steps to overcome it. If you behave as a paragon of virtue and don't let the toxicity get you down and infect your being, you can help others overcome it as well.

[Ervin]

Well I dont know about that. I never sensed any bad behavior in the beginning the times I ran dungeons with other people tanking. I also dont know about priviledged position really. It's a trinity game, very few people play tanks. People tend to pick the easy route a.k.a the dps classes, the ones that put the least preasure on the player. In this game, tanking has come to a new level, without the instant aggro skills of other games. It's only the community that makes the tanks seem more priviledged, because there are too many dps out there. If a chunk of those dps would roll tanks, the queues would get shorter across the board. If you want instant or close to instant queues, roll a tank or a healer.

So the question is, who is most priviledged, the guy with instant queue working his ass off for the group or the guy with a 15-30min queue hanging in the back dealing damage without a care in the world?

[GinTama]

I'm currently leveling up warrior, so when I tank in a dungeon (I only level over dungeons, dont fate farm) I expect common sense like, "dont run in front of me","please mind kill order","dont attack before I do".
If they fail that I simply remind them first, but if they repeatedly ignore that, I will stop to tank.

[Peemja]

I guess I've been really lucky. I have always had either neutral (silent) members, or positive ones. Of course, there are occasional d-bags, but they are everywhere. The times I mess up, I quickly apologize, and people usually say everyone makes mistakes, and vice versa, and I have done and completed every instance and boss excluding coil.
I've actually been quite impressed with FF's community.

[Ryutsuna]

I just started a Marauder subclass (MNK originally) and told myself I'd repeatedly do the first few dungeons to make sure I understand the tanking role and everything, but the more I read this thread, the more worried I get, haha. I just hope I can find patient teamates on my few first tries and not become a bitter bastard xD .