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    Quote Originally Posted by Techro View Post
    finished regular fire rotation and you have something below 1k mp > cast blizz 3 and spam flare > flare goes off while in UI3 > double dip happens > you come out with some MP and AF3 > Swiftcast Flare > convert > back to regular rotation.
    My style is: I hold on to any thundercloud or any firestarter(if they trigger while mp is about half full or less) during regular fire rotation. I would do either a swiftcast flare or a firestarter's fire3 and then quickly transpose and thundercloud, by tthen you should gain a tick and so you can start casting a fire3 and as your fire3 lands, you would gain another tick and be nearly full mp again back to regular fire rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    My style is: I hold on to any thundercloud or any firestarter(if they trigger while mp is about half full or less) during regular fire rotation. I would do either a swiftcast flare or a firestarter's fire3 and then quickly transpose and thundercloud, by tthen you should gain a tick and so you can start casting a fire3 and as your fire3 lands, you would gain another tick and be nearly full mp again back to regular fire rotation.
    This style is not efficient at all. However, do what you want but I seriously advice you fire all your procs asap without interrupting anything or saving them. I have personally recoded many cases where I would get double thundercloud or double fire 3 procs in row. There is also the reason where you can follow fire 1 by fire 3 proc at the same exact time resulting in a very good amount of dmg.

    Here is a video in T4 with a bunch of friends (this is not my regular Coil group). Notice how I "Sparda" don't save any proc and always fire my procs asap and usually don't start fire rotation without full mana, I'm also controlling my hate using QS and Thunder 3. I did 25k~ more than the second place and I was not as geared as I'm now:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DYclUlt4yo
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    Last edited by NeoAmon; 10-25-2013 at 06:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoAmon View Post
    This style is not effic...
    if I throw in thundercloud or firestarter in the middle of my fire rotation, it'll be a 5 second delay for the next regular fire spell. It's not bad to use it if my first fire procs firestarter but once i have only about half of my max mp or so... I don't think it's worth to fire it as soon as I get it... besides, I don't wait to see if fire3 proc every time my fire spell lands, I hit fire again before my fire spell lands. And yes, I could see some firestarter proc more than once. but I don't think it's worth to just throw in a firestarter and wait for gcd and then wait for the next regular fire casting time. Instead, save the firestarter and thundercloud, throw firestarter in at the end when I'm out of mp, quickly transpose, and then thundercloud and fire3 again. that seems to work just as fine as blizzard 3. and of course I can mix and match with swiftcast flare and convert and stuff in when facing dps check phases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    if I throw in thundercloud or firestarter in the middle of my fire rotation, it'll be a 5 second delay for the next regular fire spell. It's not bad to use it if my first fire procs firestarter but once i have only about half of my max mp or so... I don't think it's worth to fire it as soon as I get it... besides, I don't wait to see if fire3 proc every time my fire spell lands, I hit fire again before my fire spell lands. And yes, I could see some firestarter proc more than once. but I don't think it's worth to just throw in a firestarter and wait for gcd and then wait for the next regular fire casting time. Instead, save the firestarter and thundercloud, throw firestarter in at the end when I'm out of mp, quickly transpose, and then thundercloud and fire3 again. that seems to work just as fine as blizzard 3. and of course I can mix and match with swiftcast flare and convert and stuff in when facing dps check phases.
    You can "think" whatever you want, but you're objectively wrong, and doing less damage than you should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    if I throw in thundercloud or firestarter in the middle of my fire rotation, it'll be a 5 second delay for the next regular fire spell. It's not bad to use it if my first fire procs firestarter but once i have only about half of my max mp or so... I don't think it's worth to fire it as soon as I get it... besides, I don't wait to see if fire3 proc every time my fire spell lands, I hit fire again before my fire spell lands. And yes, I could see some firestarter proc more than once. but I don't think it's worth to just throw in a firestarter and wait for gcd and then wait for the next regular fire casting time. Instead, save the firestarter and thundercloud, throw firestarter in at the end when I'm out of mp, quickly transpose, and then thundercloud and fire3 again. that seems to work just as fine as blizzard 3. and of course I can mix and match with swiftcast flare and convert and stuff in when facing dps check phases.
    You are a bit off here.

    UI1 gives me 1160 mana out of a 3629 pool. Things like mana regen ticks and DoTs are tied to the server's internal clock. Every three seconds it "ticks" and all dots on that server, and all mana regen, will tick at once. You can get the mana the instant Umbral Ice 1 is applied or 2.99~ seconds after it is applied. What this means is you are nearly always wasting time sitting there waiting for mana. The only time you won't waste casting time is if you A) Have TC and Firestarter procs and B) Server mana regen ticks the moment after Umbral Ice 1 is applied. You are also losing a tremendous amount of Fire III casts when you are in AF3 which is a huge DPS loss.
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    Last edited by Thyrllan; 10-25-2013 at 01:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thyrllan View Post
    You are a bit off here.
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    A) Have TC and Firestarter procs and B) Server mana regen ticks the moment after Umbral Ice 1 is applied. You are also losing a tremendous amount of Fire III casts when you are in AF3 which is a huge DPS loss.
    I only... "ONLY" do transpose when my thundercloud and firestarter/swiftcast are up. I guess there are misunderstandings between my words I posted earlier.
    And even I lose "tremendous amount of fire 3 casts" I make up the damage loss by a consistent fire spam during regular fire rotation. Firestarter proc is stupid unless you have to move around and dodge stuff, otherwise just hit the Fire button right before your current Fire spell lands.

    Without thundercloud and firestarter, it's obvious to just throw in Blizzard 3 twice or Blizzard 3, blizzard then double Fire 3 and fire again for the greatest optimization
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    I make up the damage loss by a consistent fire spam during regular fire rotation.
    Uh, no you don't. That's impossible, actually, as Fire 3 hits ~47% harder than Fire 1. Not using Firestarter as soon as you get it just makes you a shitty player, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PessimiStick View Post
    Uh, no you don't. That's impossible, actually, as Fire 3 hits ~47% harder than Fire 1. Not using Firestarter as soon as you get it just makes you a shitty player, sorry.
    lol, no need to sorry. A 47% loss compare to 1 single fire 1 than the time it takes to cast 2.5 fire spells instead of one fire and one fire starter. I guess not many ppl know how the math works here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PessimiStick View Post
    Uh, no you don't. That's impossible, actually, as Fire 3 hits ~47% harder than Fire 1. Not using Firestarter as soon as you get it just makes you a shitty player, sorry.
    I thought it was a dps loss to wait and see if you get it or not? I always use it on the Fire after it procs rather then waiting to see if it procced. Is it better to Fire > pause to see if you get proc> Fire?
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    I guess I'm more toward consistent damage than aiming for higher random luck.
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