Shroud of Saints is Broken...and NOT in a good way

[Shyen]

Each class has their own pros and cons. If managed correctly, you can easily go the entire fight without going oom. Yes this also relies on free cure procs, but let's be honest, those happen enough ^^

Flawed.
correct mana management is as vague as it gets, and extremely situational. Conservative mana management might be the answer, although remember: we're talking about a party environment where the variables are very much outside the good will of a healer. Skill is being able to make up for the unexpected. And since the 'perfect run' is a myth, even the most conservative mana management might fail when chocobo dung hits the fan ^^

[Espon]

Scholars have Aetherflow, which will restore mana equivalent to 20% of the caster's MP pool. Aetherflow at level 50 grants 3 stacks, which can then be used to cast another Ability to restore MP, "Energy Drain." Energy Drain will restore 50% of the damage dealt, as MP back to the caster, this amount is doubled by the Arcanist Trait, "Enhanced Energy Drain." Scholars can Use Cleric stance to increase the damage dealt by Energy Drain to increase MP restoration even more.

MP and damage has no effect on Energy Drain. It will always restore 266 MP per use. It also means scholars cannot put those charges towards Lustrate or Sacred Soil.

[CalvatE]

I don't really know what to think of regarding the MP regen. When you hit 4500 I find it's quite alright when it comes to mana, but even at 5000 mana I have issues keeping in the 'good' range when DPS begin derping around and I'm required to AoE heal. We may have superior AoE heals but when you stack those around it's going to cost you.

Though, why would we ever need a bard them? Make them sing as intended right? Well the bards I play with now days, I'm the problem if they need to sing Mage's Ballad. Before the bard nerf it wasn't so bad but now I struggle to find a bard willing to sing anymore which annoys me since they shouldn't be playing bard if they wont sing anything but Foe's.


SCH every minute restore 1000 MP (266*3 MP regen on top if there ever becomes a struggle) and some of their heals (25~50% depending on how you want to see it) are from the fairy which doesn't consume the SCH's mana.
But the MP cost for each of the skills is the exact same. 144 for Cure 1 (Physick), 266 for Cure 2 (Adlo).

So they regen more every minute in terms of MP, their fairy contributes heals which means less MP used, and their MP cost is the exact same as a WHM's so in comparison; Yeah, I find it really unfair.
But I wont say it's unplayable. It's been suggested in the past to have SoS scale with Piety/MP and I would agree to this, even if it meant cutting the Emnity in half (because a tank who doesn't have emnity is not too good of a tank IMO; unless you're purposely trying to piss the mob off).

[TiaJ]

Right now, shroud is more than useful. Its an emnity douse and roughly a quarter of our mp back over time and compared to some of of our other cool downs (presence of mind anyone?) It does the job soundly.

Judge Xero gets it. You're worried about scaling but we already have one trait that improves shroud, they can easily add another as they add levels. Don't assume there will only be level 50 traits forever

[Impurrrsive]

i tot its a new issue
clicked on it, oh... its just excavated thread
forgot to read the date

i think shroud is ok as it is, attentive bard is really helpful

[Pharazon]

Its actually quite simple from a job design standpoint why things are the way they are in regards to mana. Scholars have to micro manage their pet in order to be able to heal effectively so having them manage mana in a meaningful way would really up the difficultly of playing the class, which is already more difficult than not.

On the other hand White Mages are much more straight forward but needed to have a system like the scholars pet that they could manage. So it was decided that White Mages would have to utilize the varying heals they have effectively to manage their mana usage. In order to not make that system not completely brutal shroud was created as a safety net. If the White Mage is using the wrong heals and running out of mana it is also likely they have additional threat from overhealing so shroud is your "I screwed up" button. As mana pools continue to rise the need for shroud will lessen since you will naturally regen more mana and have more mana to spend while the cost of your heals stay the same.

It's easy to look at Scholar and the fact that they don't have to worry about mana very much at all and be envious but White Mages don't have a pet that makes up a large portion of their healing to keep from dying, and micro manage because the AI isn't all that great.

[Sirantha]

I actually found in Coil that SCH would need Mage's Ballad more often than I would on WHM due to using Aetherflow for things like Lustrate, and not being able to regen MP as much in between. I genuinely only have mana issues if people in my group are dying and I'm having to take time to res them.

Being a good WHM means being able to manage your MP and your hate. Of course there's always Ballad for help when needed, but the rest of the time you should be able to manage your MP by casting Cures strategically (ie only using Cure II when Freecure procs or when it's absolutely needed otherwise, relying more on your other healer in parties so you don't have to carry all of the burden of AoE healing yourself etc) and popping SoS when you drop to 2.5 - 3k MP. I rarely have major issues, and when I do I always have a BRD ready to pop MB.

[Rbstr]

@ i90 I find I don't really have MP problems unless people are eating lots of stuff they shouldn't and/or dieing.
I guess that's the benefit of good gear, but prior to that it really seems that the MP regen is insufficient. At lower ilevel for t4 or extreme primals you are pretty much going to need manasong at some point even in a fairly smooth run.

WHM has a dual issue of needing to worry about MP and enmity when SCH's design means they have an easier time with both of those. That's not really a bad thing, but it would be nice to have better tools to deal with it.

[Akirakogami]

without white mage mana problems Bard would have no purpose in this game.

[CalvatE]

without white mage mana problems Bard would have no purpose in this game.

Foe's Requiem.