Shroud of Saints is Broken...and NOT in a good way

[OmegaFlare]

WHM has maim and mend and freecure. Use shroud whenever mp is at 60% or less. If you just spam cure 1, I don't see how you'll ever run out of mp. Even in coil, if you used all the arsenals a WHM has such as divine seal, you'll never run into mana problem. Divine Seal + Medica 2 pretty much heals the entire party to full health. Regen is the best healing spell per mana. Just slap that onto a dps who can't dodge. So far, I only run into mp problem during the last 25% of turn 2 of coil where I had to spam cure 2 to keep the tanks up. It would be awesome if they'd let divine seal have a 30 sec duration instead of 15 sec. I think WHM and SCH are very balanced the way they are unlike PLD and WAR.

[Shiji]

I wish our aggro dump AND mana regen spell weren't tied up in the same CD. besides that WHM's SoS is fine. All they need to rework is our horrible cure1-2-3 combo proc system.

[dragonflyseksparade]

I wish our aggro dump AND mana regen spell weren't tied up in the same CD. besides that WHM's SoS is fine. All they need to rework is our horrible cure1-2-3 combo proc system.

Completely agree.

[Verdan]

Guys, he's pointing out a scaling issue. Non-scaling spells have issues in gear-focused games, where they become weaker as the character progresses in item levels. It may not be the case now, but it very much could be items continue to gain levels without the character level increasing.

[Kalakbar]

I main Scholar now, but used to play was WHM. Shroud of Saints is a joke compared to Aetherflow, but that's just pretty much how the classes were designed. If you want to have great AOE healing but struggle with threat and mana, pick WHM. If you want to have great tanking healing but struggle with micromanaging a pet with Oppositional Defiance Disorder, pick Scholar.

[Shuon]

Guys, he's pointing out a scaling issue. Non-scaling spells have issues in gear-focused games, where they become weaker as the character progresses in item levels. It may not be the case now, but it very much could be items continue to gain levels without the character level increasing.

there is no scaling issue AT THIS POINT because the mp cost of cure does not increase i.e. even if you have 9999999 mp, and SoS being only able to generate a small portion of that, the value is still nominal - quite different from the case where if mp cost of cures increases according to the maximum mp pool.

to look at it this way: assuming SoS gives you 10 cures worth of mp, it will always give you 10 cures worth of mp. when the player mp pool increases, s/he has access to a flat increase in the number of cures which does not set back his/her effectiveness (increasing mp pool from 2000mp to 10000mp literally means 8000 extra mp for more cures with no diminishing returns). While it's true that having 8000 extra mp probably renders the need for SoS minimal, and a refresh effect in accordance with the max mp pool probably does more justice to the mp pool, it is not necessary because the mp cost or cures do not increase when mp pool increases.

IN FACT, with better gear, cures heal for more, and what was originally healed by 10 cures could potentially heal for twice the amount with enough Mind (i probably exaggerated but you got my poibt), thereby making the mp restored by SoS more potent.

however, with lvl increase and higher mp cost of cures, this may be a problem if not balanced properly.

[4gotmypassword]

Am I wrong in thinking SoS's refresh potency means that as the WHM's heals get stronger, so does their mana regen?

[Sephyrx]

Am I wrong in thinking SoS's refresh potency means that as the WHM's heals get stronger, so does their mana regen?

Nope. There isn't a stat that affects/adds to refresh potency whereas with heals you've got attributes that add to the potency thus increasing the heal.

[pandabearcat]

Yea I can see it being a problem.

I think it wouldn't be too much to ask to have it scale with Piety/max MP, or at least scale with level.

That being said all the comparisons between WHM and SCH mana conservation is kinda a moot point.

Just imagine being level 100, having 20000 mp, and having shroud only regen its itty bitty amount while Aetherflow still regens its awesome 20%.

Aetherflow GAINS value as you get better gear, and it KEEPS value steady when you level.
Shroud LOSES value as you get better gear, and it LOSES value as you gain levels.

[sheepysheepy]

i started to get oom a few times at garuda hm cos it goes on forever and needs a bunch of aoe healing, but apart from that its not too bad, divine seal + regen is amazing for keeping a tank up for 20sec while barely casting anything