Endgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!

[sasakusaku]

its not hard or challenging imo, its pretty fun and engaging. Get a FC or something and stop trying to force pugs to work when your talking about coils.

The problem with DF titan is people try and are severely under geared for it. That is why it should have a gear check at least

I am all for challenging content other wise people will steam roll through it without much thought or effort.

However, scaling here for certain things seems a bit off. Ifirt/Garuda (for example) is perfectly puggable and the mechanics are pretty straight forward and usually easy to learn.

However when it comes to titan, it changes drastically to an encounter that is best done with experience/geared players and on some sort of team speak program.

When many people have to resort to buying Titan runs and not anything else, this makes me scratch my head.

It also makes me wonder if such an 'raid' shouldn't even be in the DF in the first place considering the coordination/skill/raid comp/and closeness to where the server is being hosted to get a good enough ping to avoid all the one shot mechanics that is needed in order to beat it. If people die to the latter, it's almost always a gaurenteed wipe which is far different from any other encounter up to this point. As said, I think the scaling between ifirt/garuada -> titan is perhaps a bit to extreme. Each their own opinion on that.

Coil is not in the DF and perhaps Titan should not be either. /shrug

[Eliniell]

So.. basically what you want is for all content to be mind numbingly simple? Because that's exactly what would be needed in order for a group of random people to successfully pull it off in most situations. Bahamuts Coil was specifically designed for a team of highly skilled / coordinated players to be able to clear it. It was not designed to be casually completed without those aspects in place.

[DuferBloodmoon]

However when it comes to titan, it changes drastically to an encounter that is best done with experience/geared players and on some sort of team speak program.

When many people have to resort to buying Titan runs and not anything else, this makes me scratch my head.

It also makes me wonder if such an 'raid' shouldn't even be in the DF in the first place considering the coordination/skill/raid comp/and closeness to where the server is being hosted to get a good enough ping to avoid all the one shot mechanics that is needed in order to beat it. If people die to the latter, it's almost always a gaurenteed wipe which is far different from any other encounter up to this point. As said, I think the scaling between ifirt/garuada -> titan is perhaps a bit to extreme. Each their own opinion on that.

Coil is not in the DF and perhaps Titan should not be either. /shrug

thats why people are 5 manning titan right?

[CrstyCaptin]

Like, really? What you're complaining content is too hard when it's the hardest this game will see for 6 months +. You're complaining about content that people clear in under an hour after they've done it for a while(turn 1-4)?

I mean, this is just amazing! Biggest troll thread ever!

[sasakusaku]

thats why people are 5 manning titan right?

5 PuGs or AF+1/Allagan/relic+1 players on a voice chat program that have been playing together for a long time?

This is most certainly not a common thing and I suspect it might be legacy players that are doing it and or the types I just listed.

[Langureion]

If you've ever done Kirin in FFXI, you wouldn't be complaining it.
And it's not even the most annoying battle in FFXI.....
Kids these days can't take challenge.

[Tyrial]

5 PuGs or AF+1/Allagan/relic+1 players on a voice chat program that have been playing together for a long time?

It really doesn't matter what their gear is, people have cleared Titan wearing bikinis. I'll agree that Titan is a big step up from the other two primals and could benefit from a slight alteration to account for all the supposed lag issues (I can't comment on that since I can spit on my data center from where I live and have never seen the mystical lag that hits so many in Titan).

Take into account that we're not even supposed to be in Coil yet. They designed it to be run AFTER clearing or getting some gear from Crystal Tower. I personally wish that they'd ramp up the difficulty on CT to match and/or surpass Coil since people are already steam rolling everything but Turn 5.

[Zumi]

If you've ever done Kirin in FFXI, you wouldn't be complaining it.
And it's not even the most annoying battle in FFXI.....
Kids these days can't take challenge.

Kirin at level 75 cap was way less challenging then coil mainly because really bad people would keep throwing bodies at it and win. You had that LS that took like 30-40 people to do Kirin they were bad but they couldn't lose because they could throw more people at it.

[Tharia]

Get recruited into a hardcore raiding guild is my only advice mate, dont let casuals hold you back from enjoying the game

Guess that is that kind of attitude is why so many people dislike the so called elite gamers.

[sasakusaku]

*snip*

I live way up north, my average ping is 300-800 ms. In other MMOs/other games I average 60-150 so I dunno what is up with this game when it comes to ping.

And you are right, they went totally backawards here by not having CK at launch since its supposed to go Ifrit/AK/WP/CM/Prae/Garuada -> Titan -> CK -> Coil. By time they release CK, the gear HC guilds are acquiring right now will trivialize CK before it even get's released. That, imo, is pretty silly planning if you ask me.

It really doesn't matter what their gear is, people have cleared Titan wearing bikinis.

Yes, by people in an elite FC/good friends that have being playing together for a long time/did that fight so many times they can do it blind folded. Average PuG players won't be doing that so easily.