Endgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!

[Myleus]

pve challenging, rly? It's only numbers and a A.I with some reaction moves.
I hate how players define you as skilled by this when the real skill is against others real persons (aka pvp) but this game never force a real tension. Yoshi-P just trolled me with DaoC and Ultima pvp commentaries and how he wanted to implement it....just when his game is full instance for all.

[Zfz]

pve challenging, rly? It's only numbers and a A.I with some reaction moves.

Execution is a skill in itself. The best ball player can do little if his teammates don't co-operate on the field. The "challenges" of PvE includes this execution. In fact, it's all in the execution.

PvP and PvE just require different skills. No need to bash others just because they like a different "game" than you. You don't have to come into this thread to preach how PvP players are superior skilled players.

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And some of us consider "real" skill to be owning a house, a family, sending my children to varsity, etc.. But there's no end to that, so let's just agree not to bring up the "real skill" flame bait again, shall we? :3

[Myleus]

Execution is a skill in itself. The best ball player can do little if his teammates don't co-operate on the field. The "challenges" of PvE includes this execution. In fact, it's all in the execution.

PvP and PvE just require different skills. No need to bash others just because they like a different "game" than you. You don't have to come into this thread to preach how PvP players are superior skilled players.

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And some of us consider "real" skill to be owning a house, a family, sending my children to varsity, etc.. But there's no end to that, so let's just agree not to bring up the "real skill" flame bait again, shall we? :3

that's the problem there are no involved skills on pvp and pve cuz are separated and there are no tension while you are raiding, then dont call your execution challenging like a real challenge, maybe its for you satisfaction and your friends but an mmo need more a competitive way

[Zfz]

dont call your execution challenging like a real challenge

Yes, I bow to your mighty crazy PvP real skill. Now please go away and stop derailing the thread. Create your own "PvP is real skillz" thread if you like. Have some common courtesy of staying on topic. Thread is about PvE here.

[Myleus]

Yes, I bow to your mighty crazy PvP real skill. Now please go away and stop derailing the thread. Create your own "PvP is real skillz" thread if you like. Have some common courtesy of staying on topic. Thread is about PvE here.

But it's true, dunno why u rage here when PvP was planned like part of this game and i'm no mighty, i'm just pragmatic about fighting vs an A.I not the same like fight vs humans

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

Please give me all level 50s and all endgame loot in my inventory. Playing MMO with others is too stressful!

[traja]

Content that you use a group finding tool to complete should never be very challenging. That only leads to players leaving groups on the first sight of problems and overall frustration for all parties. But at the same time the best rewards available should only be possible to acquire from content that you cannot use such a tool for. And the hardest of the hardest stuff should be so unforgiving that only a very small percentage ever get there. This way there is content for all but at the same time there is a challenge to be found as well.

But with the current net code... lol.

[Coolit]

The endgame content if anything is too easy with the exception of a few fights. Being able to arrange a group and coordinate on V/C with in the coil is all part of the experience. As already pointed out the Crystal Tower is designed for the casual player to participate in endgame raiding, it's just a shame it's not in the game yet.

[Joshyuchiha]

If you're whining about having to rely on other players' skill I think MMORPGs (at least not high end raiding) are not for you.

[nimrod]

Im a gamer who loves a challenge. I dont scoff at hard difficulty in games, but in an MMO such as FFXIV difficult dungeons/bosses present a unique problem.

Eight people doing something correctly together, coordinating together is very time consuming, and just feels frustrating. If one key role dies such as a healer or tank, the fight goes sour. If someone misses a AOE dodge or does not know the fight it becomes a problem. This is the primary concern of the Duty finder in endgame.

Ive done the whole teamwork thing. Im in a FC, ran COIL turn 1 and 2 using mumble/teamspeak, use linkshells for good groups, etc but it just comes off as frustrating. Spending up to an hour trying to get people on to do the content, and then the content you attempt is just riddled with tons of mechanics to all be familiar with. All 8 players mind you to perform perfectly.

L2P.

Nothing more to say.